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    Re: Free Speech

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    Who, Trump?
    Surely you don't consider vandalism acceptable.

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    Re: Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    Surely you don't consider vandalism acceptable.
    No, do you?

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    Re: Free Speech

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    I wonder if there were people who thought like modern Democrats back then. It seems that even the leftist of the left were pro-America and pro-Constitution. At some point, Soviet Communism became a way of thinking here. Was it Woodrow Wilson who brought that here (1900-ish)?
    It surprises me there's not much of anything on this subject from that time period quickly accessible. Probably the easiest thing in the world to forge and/or reinterpret. Hell, they do it with everything else.

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    Re: Free Speech

    Freedom is just another word for "nothing left to lose".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    It surprises me there's not much of anything on this subject from that time period quickly accessible. Probably the easiest thing in the world to forge and/or reinterpret. Hell, they do it with everything else.
    It's hard to because their debates were NO government vs come on, we have to have a military at least.

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    Re: Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    It's hard to because their debates were NO government vs come on, we have to have a military at least.
    Even then, a LOT of philosophical and intellectual writings behind the revolution and what different types wanted came out before during and after the war. Hard to dig past all the popular stuff.

    Also, what is the 18th century version of socialism and communism? The ideology behind those are almost exclusively rooted in the 19th century.

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    Re: Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    Even then, a LOT of philosophical and intellectual writings behind the revolution and what different types wanted came out before during and after the war. Hard to dig past all the popular stuff.

    Also, what is the 18th century version of socialism and communism? The ideology behind those are almost exclusively rooted in the 19th century.
    Would it be fair to say "big government" (Communism, Socialism) could be rooted in dictators, especially kings. It seems like most kings were tyrants who let the folks eat cake and they took all the wealth for themselves. This is what Communist governments do. Everyone becomes peasants except for the government. Like Al Gore telling everyone to drive a Prius while he flies his jet all over the country.

    The idea of America was to let the people rule the government....and the Democrats hate this. Obama complains that the Constitution only hinders government and doesn't let them "do anything for the people."

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    Re: Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde View Post
    Freedom is just another word for "nothing left to lose".
    Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon if it ain't free.

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    Re: Free Speech

    I was looking to see how deadly the kings were back in the day, but I found the deadliest dictators: (most were leftists, all were big government)

    13. Enver Pasha (Military leader). 1.1 to 2.5 million state sanctioned murders.
    12. Kim Il Sung (Communist). 1.6 million government sanctioned murders.
    11. Ho Chi Minh (Communist). 1.7 million government sanctioned murders.
    10. Pol Pot (Communist). 1.7 to 2.4 million government sanctioned murders.
    9. Saddam Hussein (Authoritarian). 2 million government sanctioned murders.
    8. Yahya Khan (Military). 2 to 12 million government sanctioned murders.
    7. Tojo Hideki (Millitary). 4 million government sanctioned murders.
    6. Vladimir Lenin (Communist). 4 million government sanctioned murders.
    5. Hirohito (Monarchy). 6 million government sanctioned murders.
    4. Chiang Kai-Shek (Military). 10 million government sanctioned murders.
    3. Adolf Hitler (National Socialist). 17 to 20 million government sanctioned murders.
    2. Joseph Stalin (Communist). 40 to 62 million government sanctioned murders.
    1. Obama admin's hero... Mao Zedong (Communist). 45 to 75 million government sanctioned murders.

    So the idea of the American founders was to prevent this kind of authority. Keep government small, keep the citizens in control, avoid mass murders. We are headed the wrong direction. Too many people trust government and want to be ruled.

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    Re: Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    I was looking to see how deadly the kings were back in the day, but I found the deadliest dictators: (most were leftists, all were big government)

    13. Enver Pasha (Military leader). 1.1 to 2.5 million state sanctioned murders.
    12. Kim Il Sung (Communist). 1.6 million government sanctioned murders.
    11. Ho Chi Minh (Communist). 1.7 million government sanctioned murders.
    10. Pol Pot (Communist). 1.7 to 2.4 million government sanctioned murders.
    9. Saddam Hussein (Authoritarian). 2 million government sanctioned murders.
    8. Yahya Khan (Military). 2 to 12 million government sanctioned murders.
    7. Tojo Hideki (Millitary). 4 million government sanctioned murders.
    6. Vladimir Lenin (Communist). 4 million government sanctioned murders.
    5. Hirohito (Monarchy). 6 million government sanctioned murders.
    4. Chiang Kai-Shek (Military). 10 million government sanctioned murders.
    3. Adolf Hitler (National Socialist). 17 to 20 million government sanctioned murders.
    2. Joseph Stalin (Communist). 40 to 62 million government sanctioned murders.
    1. Obama admin's hero... Mao Zedong (Communist). 45 to 75 million government sanctioned murders.

    So the idea of the American founders was to prevent this kind of authority. Keep government small, keep the citizens in control, avoid mass murders. We are headed the wrong direction. Too many people trust government and want to be ruled.
    Trump probably likes those above since he has an affinity for dictators.

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    Re: Free Speech

    Temperament. You don't piss Trump off. But we still have the Constitution (as of today). Both sides need to fight for it so we don't end up with a dictator... from either side.

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    Re: Free Speech

    I have a theory that nations of sufficient size always tend towards socialist or heavily centralized governments. There's just no way to pull together so many diverse cultures without threat of violence (implied or explicit). I think many of the Founders also held that position or some form of it, but I might be talking out my ass there. Just don't think I'm the first to think of it.

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