President Trump

[dawg80]

Trump is in charge of the CIA. If he can't learn how to work with people, that is on him. Read the article I posted above. He started the relationship off on the wrong foot and then did things that continued to erode trust. Is that how effective leaders lead?

Wrong, again.

This has nothing to do with "leadership," not in this short-term period. Yes, I will agree that Trump has dropped the ball if a year or so from now we are still seeing this level of illegal activity in our Intel agencies. But, right now, the perpetrators of this activity are dyed-in-the-wool libtards whose only goal is to try to damage Trump's presidency. Trump inherited these people. Ah, you do know that presidents inherit the bureaucraps in place in all agencies?

Of course, if/when Trump orders a purge of these criminal anti-Americans the libtards will go bonkers declaring Trump is unfair, immoral, blah, blah, blah....and YOU Goosey, will chime in with your predictable rant of Trump being a narcissist, of being a FACIST! for firing people (good dedicated federal employees. boo hoo ) who just happen to disagree with HIS politics. You will conveniently forget that you are now ranting against Trump for NOT dealing with these same criminals who are purposely damaging our Intel agencies.

For the record, if it were me, I'd be rooting these people out, and arresting them TODAY! But...that's just me .

[PawDawg]

THIS is leadership!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I

[Guisslapp]

Wrong, again.

This has nothing to do with "leadership," not in this short-term period. Yes, I will agree that Trump has dropped the ball if a year or so from now we are still seeing this level of illegal activity in our Intel agencies. But, right now, the perpetrators of this activity are dyed-in-the-wool libtards whose only goal is to try to damage Trump's presidency. Trump inherited these people. Ah, you do know that presidents inherit the bureaucraps in place in all agencies?

Of course, if/when Trump orders a purge of these criminal anti-Americans the libtards will go bonkers declaring Trump is unfair, immoral, blah, blah, blah....and YOU Goosey, will chime in with your predictable rant of Trump being a narcissist, of being a FACIST! for firing people (good dedicated federal employees. boo hoo ) who just happen to disagree with HIS politics. You will conveniently forget that you are now ranting against Trump for NOT dealing with these same criminals who are purposely damaging our Intel agencies.

For the record, if it were me, I'd be rooting these people out, and arresting them TODAY! But...that's just me .

Wrong, as in he did not start off on the wrong foot with the CIA?

Do you remember his tweets attacking the IC, his self-aggrandizing speech in front of the CIA wall?

Here is some actual comments from non-anonymous ranking CIA sources on their take on the start of the relationship:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...t-to-the-c-i-a

Again, these problems are of Trump's own making. A "leader" that is even marginally competent doesn't make these kind of mistakes. Someone with a narcissistic personality disorder does.

[PawDawg]

Again, these problems are of Trump's own making. A "leader" that is even marginally competent doesn't make these kind of mistakes. Someone with a narcissistic personality disorder does.

You keep making the same point. Most of us acknowledge his gaffes. The problem we have is the double standard that exist with you and the socialst media who ignored all those screw ups made by Obama, many on his staff, and Hillary. Suddenly having a competent leader is important, but for 8 years it wasn't. You were quiet for over 8 years.

[Guisslapp]

You keep making the same point. Most of us acknowledge his gaffes. The problem we have is the double standard that exist with you and the socialst media who ignored all those screw ups made by Obama, many on his staff, and Hillary. Suddenly having a competent leader is important, but for 8 years it wasn't. You were quiet for over 8 years.

You can go look at my history on this forum over the last 8 years and you will see that statement is incorrect.

[PawDawg]

You can go look at my history on this forum over the last 8 years and you will see that statement is incorrect.

I did and I can't find your posts blasting Obama's narcissism, ineptitude, lack of leadership skills, or the corruption that was ignored by CNN or the rest of the socialist media. I can't find anything from you blasting Obama for his admitted hate of this great country.

[PawDawg]

I stand corrected...

I did find this from 2012 when Obama gave the State of the Union address...

Can't even stand to look at our liar and thief in chief.

You certainly didn't seem as outspoken during those 8 years. Trump seems to bother you much more than Obama and his den of thieves did.

[Guisslapp]

I stand corrected...

I did find this from 2012 when Obama gave the State of the Union address...

Can't even stand to look at our liar and thief in chief.

You certainly didn't seem as outspoken during those 8 years. Trump seems to bother you much more than Obama and his den of thieves did.

I am more outspoken against Trump because I honestly think his dishonesty and narcissism far exceeds Obama. And that is saying something because I didn't trust Obama to do anything but engage in class warfare, and I didn't like that. Yeah, so it is no small thing when I say Trump is much worse.

[Guisslapp]

I did and I can't find your posts blasting Obama's narcissism, ineptitude, lack of leadership skills, or the corruption that was ignored by CNN or the rest of the socialist media. I can't find anything from you blasting Obama for his admitted hate of this great country.

Here are just a few of the anti-Obama threads I started:

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...job&highlight=

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...are&highlight=

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...kes&highlight=

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...-19&highlight=

And this thread should crush any possible doubt:

http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showt...ver&highlight=

[PawDawg]

I am more outspoken against Trump because I honestly think his dishonesty and narcissism far exceeds Obama. And that is saying something because I didn't trust Obama to do anything but engage in class warfare, and I didn't like that. Yeah, so it is no small thing when I say Trump is much worse.

You don't acknowledge the media has the same feelings toward him as you do you?

[Guisslapp]

You don't acknowledge the media has the same feelings toward him as you do you?

I think anyone that is paying attention should have the same feeling as I do.

And the media is not a monolith. There are many credible sources that do their best to be dispassionate professionals. This presidency is hard to cover for journalists, because they themselves are under attack by the administration. Some of them have, in my opinion, become overly self-defensive.

Conservative outlets are doing a terrible job of covering this president. They are acting as his propaganda machine and misrepresenting facts to suit their/his agenda. The symbiotic relationship they have developed is not good for this country. I have never seen anything like it on this scale.

Of course liberal media - MSNBC/huffpost don't do a very good job serving their "watchdog" function when we have a democrat leader, unless he fails to address the liberal agenda. I expect the same from the rightwing media with a conservative leader. But this president is doing things that jeopardize traditional conservative ideals, and they are giving him a pass. Honesty and earnestness are also supposed to be conservative ideals and Trump is getting a pass on that from the right as well.

So, no, I don't see a liberal media problem right now. I try to avoid far left and far right news outlets because I don't trust them at all. The media is a its best when it is a watchdog - not a promoter of power.

[PawDawg]

So, no, I don't see a liberal media problem right now. I try to avoid far left and far right news outlets because I don't trust them at all. The media is a its best when it is a watchdog - not a promoter of power.

...and there we have it. CNN is your fair and balanced reporting. The same CNN who touts Obamacare as greatness and believes democrats have the answers to poverty.

[Guisslapp]

...and there we have it. CNN is your fair and balanced reporting. The same CNN who touts Obamacare as greatness and believes democrats have the answers to poverty.

CNN is not the best source for in depth reporting or deep analysis - neither is FoxNews. These are superficial news outlets. One is staunchly conservative and the other is moderate in its liberalness.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/04/news...are-tennessee/

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/17/news...care-insurers/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...hen/index.html

CNN hardly defends Obamacare - that is right wing echo chamber talk. Now I wouldn't expect anything but criticism of Obamacare on FoxNews.

[PawDawg]

CNN hardly defends Obamacare - that is right wing echo chamber talk. Now I wouldn't expect anything but criticism of Obamacare on FoxNews.

Actually FOX leans left on Obamacare, touting things like pre-ex and staying on parents coverage to age 26 as being good things.

It took me about 15 seconds to find this example of CNN's lies on Obamacare.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/26/news...ing-subsidies/

[dawg80]

Typical libtard whose only issue(s) with obummer is he wasn't communist enough.

When you see a libtard say anything like "obummer failed..." they are referring to his not taking this country into outright totalitarian communism.