Which part is the lie?Originally Posted by PawDawg
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Which part is the lie?
If you actually read any of the posts from the linked threads you would know that isn't true.
But since I know you frequent this board enough to know my history on the subject, I just take it that you are a liar - just like the politicians you support.
The reason the premiums are going up is not true. They spun it to make it sound like it was Trump's fault. The premiums were going up anyway. It's a flat out lie to say other wise.
Are you saying insurers didn't claim that? Because that article doesn't even provide a CNN opinion on the matter.
At the risk of sounding like a pre-1990's school teacher, two wrongs don't make a right.
Sure, Trump ran his mouth. That is his shtick. He likes to talk smack. The fact our intelligence community - regardless of whether they were hired by Clinton, Bush, Obama - is not intelligent enough to realize that is sad. Moreso, it is quite concerning they believe it's their duty to undermine a President simply because they don't like him.
It is not that they don't like him. They don't trust him. That makes all the difference in the world.
Disliked bosses can be effective. If a leader doesn't have trust, they cannot lead.
I'm saying they either took the statement out of context or quoted a lie without researching. It would have taken only a few minutes to disprove the Blue Cross claim.
Here's what has happened. Quick version...
When Obamacare was passed, they had to have companies to sell the policies. Obamacare created the "exchange" for companies to sell cookie cutter products. No company was to make more than others...its the socialist way. After year one of Obamacare happened and we were getting into year two the insurers began to point out to the Obamacare nazis that they were going in the hole due to the pre-ex clause and low premiums. They asked the government for the guarantee amount they were promised just to be able to break even. The Obama liars told them, "No problem. We got the kinks worked out and will catch up on what we promised you (contratcutally BTW)." The companies told them one more year, but they had to have it. Guess what? They never got it so some companies dropped out. They never got it in years 2 or 3 either. Each year the companies where promised the catch up, but never got it. This Blue Cross guy had calculated the amount of rate increases assuming they got the amount promised by the Obamacare cronies which was the same lie they had been telling for three years. Maybe the BC guy thought the government (Trump) would give more money to the companies instead of less like they have been doing, but that's doubtful.
A couple of easy questions to Blue Cross from CNN could have removed blame from Trump or the GOP who did not vote for this crap, but it's much more dramatic to blame those who are not at fault.
Are you saying the insurer did not say this or CNN took the statement out of context?
"The insurer is requesting a rate hike of nearly 23% for next year. But it said it would have only asked for an 8.8% bump if President Trump and House Republicans agreed to fund the Obamacare cost-sharing subsidies through 2018."
If BCBS of North Carolina said that, I don't see how CNN is lying. That article, including the title, is clearly directed to what insurers are saying they will do an why they are saying they will do it. It is not some deep analysis of whether the insurer is correct.
But do you have info that shows that BCBS of NC is misrepresenting the amount of the hike is a result of not funding the Obamacare subsidies?
I mean that statement itself tells me that without subsidy Obamacare causes rates to go up. That is sort of anti-Obama too.
The BC guy is wrong if that's all he said. I'm betting that is not the full statement and it was taken out of context. BC (and other companies in every state) are still trying to recover the amounts the Obamacare nazis promised them contractually but has never paid. THAT is the part of the amount they are trying to recover at 23%, but likely the most they are allowed to increase premiums.
Don't you find it strange that they stop at blaming Trump and the Republicans w/out a pointing out view of why...? Please let me know when CNN reports a counter point on anything the liberal socialists want.
It says "some insurers..." then only uses one example that is likely not accurate.
That idiot governor some of our conservatives elected here in Louisiana is spouting off the same type mantra, but BCBS of Louisiana is not.
Peter's pocket or Paul's pocket? Taxpayers are on the hook to either one.
This stuff is so simple. Insurers will settle for an 8.8% bump, vs. a 23% one, if the federal government subsidizes them. Either way the general public pays the bill. Neither is an acceptable alternative, and both point to the collapse of obummercare. So....a big fat NO! to either choice.
Of course, I'm a liar for continually pointing out that you are a libtard. But, you continually regurgitate the socialist party line. You are as predictable as the sun rising in the east. You NEVER take the conservative side on any issue, it's always the most libtard stance out there.
This recent exchange is just another in a long line of examples. Pawdawg nailed your azz to the wall, and your response is: well, if the House Republicans agreed to fund obummercare cost...there wouldn't be any pending collapse. Yep, good ole guvmint handouts, in this case to insurance companies so they will continue the farce that is obummercare.
You are no libertarian or some fiscal conservative....what BS! Total libtard through and through. This whole obummercare mess DISGUSTS me! It is rampant socialism! No real conservative would engage in a conversation trying to find some redeeming (salvageable) qualities in a socialist program. But, you do, and even defend the libtard media's spin on it.
Uh, I never advocated that they pay the subsidy. But what I have noticed is your selective perception - you seem to view everything anyone says, that is not from a card-carrying member of the conservative establishment, as an attack on conservatism. I was and still am a critic of Obamacare but you have allowed the rightwing propaganda machine melt your mind to the point that you cannot recognize it. Tribalism at its finest.
Actually, he would be one of the ones doing the melting. Conservative is too far left for him, sometimes.
He's wrong about you. But he's not wrong on the other stuff.
Trump ran on keeping coverage for pre-existing conditions. And, at least once, said everyone has to be covered.
Trying to shoehorn Mr. President into the mold of a conservative is a massive stretch. He's no standard bearer.
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