I told you it was happening when he was elected in 2016. You didn't believe me then either. You thought blacks would turn out to vote for Hillary.Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
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I told you it was happening when he was elected in 2016. You didn't believe me then either. You thought blacks would turn out to vote for Hillary.
Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant.
That's a tough sell, especially considering how much traction socialism is getting here now. I am amazed that anyone can really believe ANYTHING is free....ever. But, selling people on an idea that they will get free stuff for their entire lives without having to sell a piece of themselves to get it is really easy if they don't understand the end game, and that they may end up selling more of themselves than they realize (freedom, self respect, ambition, hope).
I’ll take that as a no.
You keep saying that, but I don’t remember saying anything of the sort. Regardless, that’s not the same thing as the left abandoning leftist dogma because trump is so gosh darn winnerish.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
The traction that socialism is starting to get scares the heck out of me. The American dream has always been one of freedom and self determination. That dream is now under direct threat by socialists, and they must be defeated.
It's not as widespread, and lacks depth too. We are exposed to a lot of socialism and its dangerous ideas because of the socialist lamestream media, Hollywood, the popular culture, and because the RINOs are afraid to really stand up to it, which is why they are RINOs. But truthfully a very solid majority of Americans reject socialism. Some don't understand the definitions, true, and that's because of our lousy contaminated public education, and because many tune into popular music/programs where they get further indoctrinated. But when you speak to most of these people and discuss the issues some react very violently, well emotionally, to the truth of socialism. They are like, Huh? What? No way!! Not me! they insist.
And there is a very large segment of the population who know exactly what socialism is, and its dangers, but they never get a voice in the lamestream media, and heck, can't even speak on college campuses. All anyone sees is the leftist side. So it's easy to think, wow! America is doomed. The 2016 POTUS election showed Americans are not as stupid as the lefties think.
It's up to us good Americans to pick up the torch and speak to young people to assure they hear the truth. I recently was a guest speaker at a college conference. Afterwards, at the reception, several of the students sought me out and wanted to ask more questions. It started with 3, and after just a few minutes, the gathering was up to 8 or 9 students wanting to hear more of what I had to say. Mostly my message was "rugged individualism," which is a term Rush Limbaugh uses. It's what makes Americans....Americans! It's obviously something they believe, but don't hear from their libtard professors. I had their attention for a good 30 minutes, then it was time to move on to the next session with another speaker.
We shall prevail over the pure evil that is socialism, and the likes of the extreme 'craps and their mind-numb followers will be crushed.
Isn’t creating trade wars that hurt farmers then giving them billion dollar government bailouts called SOCIALISM.?
It's the Stormy Daniels treatment...
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
It's called leverage. Liberals like you never expect anything in return. A temporary bailout to farmers is not a giveaway.
Protecting ag has always been a paradox. You're right, it reeks of socialism. But the alternative is to allow a vast majority of farmers to quit. Then what?
When I worked for International Paper we "propped up" loggers during lean times. IP subsidized their businesses, to a point, to assure what...THAT THEY REMAINED IN BUSINESS! Because there were times when our mills were starving for wood and IP needed an army of loggers working out there. That was (probably is, I'm sure IP and others still do it) a measure of "socialism" if you will. Not from the guvmint but from a Fortune 50 Corporation worth many $billions who could afford to help out the small business guys, the loggers.
The aspect of the "farmer" bailout that troubles me is the practice of paying them NOT to do something. And when slimy libtards, like former ABC reporter Sam Donaldson, benefit from the practice it really irks me. Donaldson, a multi-millionaire from his over-paid days with ABC, retired and bought a ranch in....Nevada? I think it was...maybe not. Anyway, he had no intention of actually ranching, but he was soon raking in $hundreds of thousands NOT to raise sheep. He admitted, in an interview, he never even considered raising sheep, not now, not ever! But, since the money he was receiving was legal...and he didn't even ask for it....why, of course, he'd take it! Actually, I don't blame Donaldson...most of us would accept the payments. It's more an indictment of the STUPID system! It's those moronic glitches that need to be fixed. Yes, okay, let's help legit farmers remain in business. But not retired ABC reporters already a millionaire.
I understand why it’s done but government bailouts are a form of socialism.
And I might add it’s a situation Trump single handedly created.
Not when there is an actual return on investment.
He announced that he would create it when he was running. It's another reason democrat socialists and RINOs hate him...he is actually doing what he SAID he would do.
That’s why most campaigns promises are a lot of rhetoric designed to get people’s emotions heightened but they are never thought thru. Farmers don’t want handouts. They want their accessable open markets back. Did we not think the world would not retaliate?
Only a liberal would expect a politician NOT to do what they ran on.
You don't know what your are talking about regarding farmers and commodities. The markets were screwed by China and the EU.
We, the USA, will NEVER have a stable, dependable ag industry, one capable of feeding us without some kind of guvmint program. Because it is a commodity, it is subjected to wild swings in market prices. Now....let me think on this...
timber and its by-products: dimension lumber, plywood, particle board, cardboard, paper, etc... are also commodities. Well, timber "on the stump" is for sure, as its prices reacts to what is going on in the "wood products industry" as a whole, and is subject to events, such as "acts of God." But there is no guvmint subsidy for timber, as there is for ag products. Hmmm....maybe beaux66 is on to something here.
This requires further investigation.
In the meantime, taken at face value, I know when the guvmint intervenes and affects the market for ag products, which it does by paying farmers NOT to do something, for instance, it is responsible for the flip side... if you're the "cause" you have to remedy the "effect." In this case, re: tariffs, it is the Federal Guvmint which is intervening in the ag market(s) (cause), so it is the Federal Guvmint's responsibility to remedy the effects.
And yes, China and others have not been playing fairly in the world's ag market(s). Those guvmints do more than merely subsidize farmers, they control it all via centralized planning. US farmers wouldn't stand a chance playing by a "free market" set of rules when the other competitors all cheat and get away with it. The US guvmint has to step up in an attempt to level the playing field.
Going back to timber as a commodity, I KNOW what adverse effect Canada subsidizing their timber industry had on the US timber industry. It nearly destroyed it!
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