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    Re: President Trump

    There are some parallels.

    Mueller and his merry band of thug witch hunters have committed more crimes in 18 months than Trump, Cohen, Flynn et al in their combined lifetimes! Well...one caveat...Cohen is a slimy lawyer, so maybe he has committed other crimes in his slimy lifetime, I don't know. But, overall, the point is, Mueller and his thugs are guilty of real crimes, like, but not limited to, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, destroying evidence, lying to Congress, lying to Federal Agents (the exact same thing Flynn is accused of), conspiracy to commit a felony, committing a felony, so on and so forth.

    There is no real justice in this world, and certainly none that Deep Staters need worry about. But, if there were we'd see Mueller and his whole criminal gang go to prison for a very long time. That includes Ponetta, Lynch, Krooked Killary, obummer, Holder, Comey, and all the others.

    It's an amazing read....the whole Joseph Reed and his pursuit of Benedict Arnold, and others, all for personal gain (wealth and power). And how Arnold, in particular, continually did stupid things (self-serving) that forced people, his would-be supporters, to take an arms' length position. Arnold was mostly guilty of one thing: the very human desire to "be somebody." He wanted wealth, power, influence and was driven to get it...no matter what. This made him an easy target for Reed and the Executive Council, which really wanted a French Revolution style purge of anyone and everyone who happened to be successful as of 1776.

    And now, today, we see something similar with the irrational, criminal, pursuit of Donald Trump driven by envy and jealousy. "We don't like him..." therefore we are justified to commit felonies "to get him."

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    Re: President Trump

    Arnold also wanted a young, attractive, and most importantly, WEALTHY bride. He pursued several young socialites, always rejected, until, at age of 38 he convinced the 17-year-old Peggy Shippen to accept his proposal. They were married in 1779. She was the daughter of Edwin Shippen a wealthy businessman/merchant and socially connected in Philadelphia. He was also a loyalist, and saw no reason for the American Colonies to leave Great Britain. Although, just as long as he and his closest friends and allies could maintain their lofty social status, he was "okay" with America becoming independent. Edwin Shippen was also on Joseph Reed's target list. As were all the wealthy in Pennsylvania.

    So, the young, but enterprising Peggy Shippen saw an opportunity to "rescue" herself and her family from the growing unrest in Philadelphia. Reed's witch hunters accused anyone, who was not them, of being British loyalists or at least "sympathizers," which was just as bad. The Pennsylvania "constitution" just passed allowed for "true democracy." The people of the state could vote, with a simple majority to, for instance, confiscate all the wealth and property of anyone targeted. And that very proposal was waiting for a date to be set, just as soon as the inconvenience of the war could be settled. Seeing no future in Pennsylvania for sure, and maybe in America as well, the young Peggy Shippen hatched the plot for her new husband to win favor with the British, secure a lofty generalship with all the riches and prestige that would bring, and for the whole Shippen family to relocate to England. It was Peggy who initiated the plot by contacting British Navy Captain John Andre.

    For his part, Benedict Arnold was a willing participant in this treason. He had had enough of what he saw as injustices. Starting with the Continental Congress continually passing over him for promotions. Arnold was still a junior brigadier general while others, who had never been on a battlefield, had been promoted to major general, with higher pay and more prestige. George Washington pleaded with Congress to right that wrong, citing all the victories Arnold had secured for the cause. But Washington was told, you just don't understand the political and social ramifications of placing someone like Benedict Arnold on the same level as some of New England's prominent families. Eventually, Congress agreed to promote Arnold to major general, but they sat on communicating that to him, and when they finally did, it was too late to change the course of events.

    And then the relentless pursuit of him, by Joseph Reed, pushed Arnold over the edge. He saw no recourse but to follow his new bride's plan. And, he would.

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    Re: President Trump

    By late summer, into September, of 1780 both sides thought West Point held the key to the war. West Point was not just a fort, guarding the Hudson River. It was an extensive installation stretching 30 miles up and down the Hudson, and covering important river ports and key crossroads at 6 ferry crossings.

    By the summer of 1780 the British controlled "the South" (Georgia, the Carolinas, and into Virginia). The Americans had been soundly defeated at Savannah when the French navy left them hanging, exposed on open ground near the shoreline, trapped between a British fort and the British navy, which shelled General Benjamin Lincoln's army into shambles. French Admiral d'Estang had promised Lincoln full cooperation, so Lincoln launched his attack against the British. But the French, being "French," got spooked and so with a lone frigate, under full sail, swooping in and firing on the anchored British fleet...which Lincoln took as sign the French navy was attacking, as promised, Lincoln committed. The Americans got caught in a murderous crossfire and Lincoln cursed the French as he watched their sails disappear out to sea. Lincoln led his shattered army back to Charleston. The British followed, and knowing the condition of Lincoln's army, they took Charleston without firing a shot. Lincoln and 5,500 Americans became POWs.

    So! the Continental Congress wanted to set things right in the South. They sent General Horatio Gates to take command. Gates was "known" as the hero of Saratoga. Yes, even though it was actually General Benedict Arnold who was responsible for that incredible victory, Gates took credit. Gates cowered in his bomb-proof at his HQ during the Battle of Saratoga. His officers could barely get him to issue orders, and so most, like Arnold, took matters into their own hands and led their regiments to an impossible victory, crushing the powerful British-Hessian Army under General Burgoyne. That entire army ceased to exist! One of the worst military disasters in British history.

    Unfortunately for the average American soldier that day in Camden, South Carolina, General Horatio Gates was in command. Gates panicked early in the fight and fled by horseback leaving the army to fend for itself. It was a slaughter. Over 900 American soldiers were bayonetted as they tried to surrender. It was murder.

    When Benedict Arnold saw the reports of Savannah, Charleston, and then Camden, he tossed the papers down and wept. His chief of staff stood near him. "I have sacrificed everything for my country," Arnold confided. "I have lost the use of my leg and suffer pain every day because of it. I have no finances left. I am mocked, over-looked, by Congress, and they place trust in generals like Lincoln and Gates." He looked his adjutant in the eye, "This war is lost. There can be no independent America."

    Thus, both sides turned their attention to New York. It now held the key, the last hope, for the fledgling country. British General Henry Clinton had grown frustrated with the stalemate, he had tendered his resignation. He told a staff officer, "we have lost this war and I will not have my reputation soiled by being associated with it." But, then news from the South reached Clinton in New York. Clinton had cooperated in the taking of Charleston, but was merely an observer. Now he wrote another letter to London reversing his resignation and offering to lead a campaign to capture West Point. Doing so, many thought, would sever the northern part of the colonies in half, isolating New England from the rest of America and forcing the surrender of those colonies.

    Captain John Andre, already a trusted advisor to General Clinton, came to him with news of Peggy Shippen Arnold's proposed plot. Clinton saw the merits in it, and wanting complete credit, he asked the British High Command to transfer Andre to the army, specifically, to him. They agreed. Clinton made him a major and told him to go forward in this plot. To pull it off, it was necessary for Andre to meet with General Arnold to plan the details of the betrayal. It was after that meeting on his return to New York that Major John Andre made a huge mistake and was captured by an American outpost. It was a sergeant, a simple sergeant in a New York regiment, who changed history, and led to Benedict Arnold fleeing for his life.

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    Re: President Trump

    Epilogue:

    Benedict Arnold....a hero? In a strange twist of history, what Arnold did served this nation greatly.

    In the immediate aftermath of Arnold's treason....poor ole John Andre, who deserves zero sympathy, was hung. It is not known if Washington did this on purpose, but the circumstantial evidence points to GW mentally torturing his prisoner, John Andre. The details of the weeks-long saga are interesting.

    It must be emphasized just how close America came to a complete military disaster, had the Arnold-Andre plot come to full fruition. And had Andre simply by-passed that American outpost that fateful night, it is very likely, like 99.9% certain, the plot would have worked. Combined with the recent disasters in the South, would losing mid-state New York lead to the loss of New England, and then lead to what was left of Revolutionary America giving up? That's what Henry Clinton was counting on, and what the British High Command was fairly certain would happen.

    But, that's not what happened, the disaster was averted. And then something remarkable happened! The entire nation was galvanized by this incident. As Philadelphia newspaper editor Benjamin Irvin wrote in an op-ed the following week: having a hero (George Washington) is not enough....we needed a villain too (Arnold). Irvin penned a masterpiece of a political opinion. It is many pages, and written in the English of the time, so it's not always an easy read. But, paraphrasing, and adding a few comments myself, here's what he essentially wrote:

    The treason of Benedict Arnold, a beloved, and highly respected general, a true hero to so many, shocked the American Nation. Shocked it enough now to get off its collective ass (that's my colorful language) and for those infuriating "fence sitters" to make a final decision, are you with us, or against us!? Irvin also spent time blasting what we call the "Deep State." Those so-called American "patriots" who help, but really are more concerned about personal gain, and not concerned about the greater good of the American people. He nailed it. We know who those people are today. Benedict Arnold personified this type of "patriot" in the minds, and hearts, of the average American in 1780. No longer will they be tolerated.

    In a practical sense, the Arnold treason shocked the Continental Congress. They also realized just how close a total disaster the country had come. They knew full well they would not escape the hangman's noose should the Revolution fail. As Benjamin Franklin famously said: we have to hang together...else we will all hang separately. So, FINALLY!!! the goofy Congress stopped trying to micro-manage the war. They gave General George Washington the authority he should have had all along. And the very first thing GW did, demonstrating his true military brilliance, in the single greatest stroke of administrative decision-making, he promoted Nathanial Green to full major general and made him overall commander of the Southern Department. Washington understood he had General Clinton's British Army pinned up in New York. That he would not venture out from his safe stronghold and challenge Washington's Army in a stand-up fair fight. The Arnold treason also served to anger Americans. Many flocked to enlist in the army. Washington's ranks swelled. So! he dispatched Green with a large portion of his army and told Nathanial Green, "go to the Carolinas and kick some ass!" (my language again). Green would do just that, and his brilliant victory at the Cowpens (depicted in the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson) drove Cornwallis to seek refuge at Yorktown.

    For his part, Joseph Reed claimed a victory too. See? he boasted, I was right about Benedict Arnold all along. But, the people saw though Reed too. He was reminded he was responsible for two innocent men, those merchants, being hung, when they did nothing wrong. Reed's influence and his power waned. His own attorney distanced himself from Reed, with a warning, "You had better maintain a low profile, Joseph."

    A Congressman summed it all up...he said, now we see the true spirit, the real POWER (my term) of the American experiment. It's the people. Properly motivated, and properly led, as now by our gallant General Washington, there is nothing this nation can not accomplish.

    General Henry Clinton saw it too. He wrote a letter to his political operative in the British Parliament, paraphrasing, he said: the jig is up, we have lost the American Colonies because the American people now say so.

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    Re: President Trump

    And another one bites the dust.

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    Re: President Trump

    It has been a minute since you posted a rosy stock market article to prove Trump was doing a good job. With NASDAQ and S&P500 now in solid bear territory, you aren’t really talking about the stock market anymore.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    It has been a minute since you posted a rosy stock market article to prove Trump was doing a good job. With NASDAQ and S&P500 now in solid bear territory, you aren’t really talking about the stock market anymore.
    Not a bear yet...but real close.

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    Re: President Trump

    Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
    USA 'MOST COMPETITIVE' NATION AGAIN...

    DOW JUMPS +548...

    Steel workers set to get biggest pay raise in years...


    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    It has been a minute since you posted a rosy stock market article to prove Trump was doing a good job. With NASDAQ and S&P500 now in solid bear territory, you aren’t really talking about the stock market anymore.
    BS! You just quoted my post from months ago in October! Typical sleeze ball attorney trick.

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    Re: President Trump

    Well, let's see...

    December 2018 set an all-time record for e-commerce. Retail sales in general....um, either set a record or was highest in 10 years (doing this from memory from what I saw on CNBC this morning). The Postal Service, UPS, and Fed Ex set all-time records for handling packages, and at the same time, set all-time highs in grades. Like on-time delivery 98% of the time, and other metrics. Consumer confidence hit 20-year highs.

    All good news and economic accomplishments....so, does President Trump get the credit? Isn't that the way this works, whether it's good or bad, the causes are due to the POTUS.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Well, let's see...

    December 2018 set an all-time record for e-commerce. Retail sales in general....um, either set a record or was highest in 10 years (doing this from memory from what I saw on CNBC this morning). The Postal Service, UPS, and Fed Ex set all-time records for handling packages, and at the same time, set all-time highs in grades. Like on-time delivery 98% of the time, and other metrics. Consumer confidence hit 20-year highs.

    All good news and economic accomplishments....so, does President Trump get the credit? Isn't that the way this works, whether it's good or bad, the causes are due to the POTUS.
    It’s either a 17 year delayed result of the Clinton presidency or a 2 year delay of the Obama presidency.

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    Re: President Trump

    Actually, consumer confidence dropped in December.

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    Re: President Trump

    But on-time package delivery is a great indicator of a President’s economic policy.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Actually, consumer confidence dropped in December.
    Not according to the dude on CNBC. But of course YOU know better than anyone else.

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    Re: President Trump

    I thought this was interesting: Welcome to the World of President Rand Paul
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