His conscience?Originally Posted by PawDawg
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His conscience?
Nah. He’s a turd politician working an angle
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Tech hoops 4-0. Trump 1-0.
Jerk Cassidy 0-1.
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Just not in the White House anymore.This ad says it all for our many terminal TDS patients.
Corrected it for you.
I wish he was there winning for America again.
Do you think Mike Pence could’ve overturned the election results like Trump said?
Commie bastard. Right.
In his position/authority as VP overseeing the certification process he possessed some unilateral power. Not the least of which was adhering to the wishes of 10 state legislatures asking for a delay so that they could investigate their results and all the voter fraud and irregularities that had occurred. A representative of each state is present and there to either signal thumbs up, we're good to go, OR! to ask for a delay or some other kind of ruling from the chair, the VP, who is president of the Senate. This happens rarely, but this time there were 10 pending requests. As I understand the timeline, the Antifa operatives were already causing trouble outside, including banging on the doors and windows...while Trump was still more than 30 minutes away from the finish of his speech and his supporters were still a mile away. The Antifa thugs caused a panic and the process was cut off. After the coward Pence and the rest returned hours later, POS Pence was pissed off and skipped the rest of the procedure, including honoring the process of recognizing each state representative. Thus, the 10 states who wanted a delay in the certification, never got their chance. These are the facts. And I got this straight from someone who was there....she's an aide to Senator Kennedy and knows the process.
No, Pence did not have the power to set aside the election results on his own. But the certification process is NOT merely some ceremonial procedure. It is a Constitutional requirement whereby the Electoral College is verified and approved. There have been many challenges to the EC results throughout history. In the past some of the EC tallies have been changed during this process, although not enough to change the results of any POTUS election, that I am aware of. But the fact is, Pence shirked his Constitutional duty in carrying out the whole process.
For the record, I did not and do not advocate hanging Mike Pence. He has "hung" himself politically and is done. Well, maybe he's still popular enough in Indiana to win some kind of election...dog catcher. But nationally he is toast. I HOPE he runs in the 2024 GOP primaries and gets smoked!
Go back and read the constitution. Neither Congress or Pence had the right to do anything other than count electors. Anything else you heard is a lie.
12th Amendment:
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;
The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
You are wrong. It has happened 5 times in history, the last two times being 2001 and 1969. We saw in 2017 the numerous challenges to the EC made and each time then VP and president of the Senate, Joe Biden, denying each motion. He had to deny each motion because in that process he, and he alone, held the authority. He could have just as easily granted the motions. It never progressed to the point of the other cases because Biden did not allow it to. And again, in 2021, Pence never even allowed the states to make the requests, citing the chaos of the January 6th mess.
So, what is the process to overturning/changing EC votes? Well, as it turns out it is pretty simple...but politically very complicated. In practice all it takes is a simple majority vote by BOTH houses of Congress. But, who is going to cast such an affirmative vote to change the results of another state's POTUS election? It would have to be in the light of overwhelming evidence and overwhelming support from that state.
Now, the other factor is, and always is, in normal years (in the past), absent widespread fraud and voter irregularities, the states have two months to review and certify their own results. Usually, as in the past, back in normal times, states addressed any concerns there might have been and by the time of the formal certification process, no states had any unresolved issues hanging.
When some say Mike Pence had no authority to change the results of the EC, they are technically correct. That power lay with Congress. But, Pence did have the authority to issue a delay to the process pending those 10 states' legislatures reviewing their results. And even IF one or more of those states then requested a change it would have taken an affirmative vote by BOTH houses of Congress.
But what does the constitution say?
The only possible issue is if a state doesn’t send a slate of electors to count or sends two and they have to decide which to count. Otherwise, the constitution is crystal clear on the subject.
I know what the Constitution says. I am merely addressing the questions that have arisen here and especially on a couple of blogs I am on. I figured some here might appreciate an explanation of the controversy involving Pence's role in "what could have been done?" on Jan 6th. Some posters are seeking answers, the truth, so they can move on. My post has generated 40+ comments on one blog and lots of good discussion. Some of the most ardent Trumpsters have begun to take a step back from the cliff on the whole "hang Mike Pence" movement. They better understand now, Pence did not have the power to unilaterally flip the results of the election. Now, many are still upset he didn't call for a delay allowing those 10 states to conduct reviews of the election results and processes. BTW, news' sources reported, at that time, it was 5 states, but 5 others said they would join in the reviews of their own results if a delay was going to occur. Pence cited the unrest that day, the chaos, and upon a return to the chamber declared for the count to be made official.
It is water under the bridge now. But there is still lots of anger festering out there. Ignoring it, or worse, telling people that which they know to be factual is wrong only worsens the situation. Now, this all addresses Pence's role on Jan 6th, it does not speak to the "grand theft election" that occurred. Which, BTW, there is tons and tons and tons of evidence...yeah, a lot of it isolated incidents, some of it hearsay, some of it "evidence" recorded on someone's cell phone, and some of it outright PROOF of election shenanigans. It would be very helpful....very helpful...if some non-partisan team of investigators would look into the problem areas, like Detroit, Philly, Atlanta....BTW notice how you have heard nothing further on the Georgia senate race fraud by whatshisname...COVER UP! Otherwise, the anger will just fester and by the time 2022 rolls around or 2024, there will be literally millions ready to take matters into their own hands. It would be far better for a proper investigation, and for some heads to roll, to defuse this situation.
I'm just a lone voice in the wilderness proclaiming it would be better for all of us, for the country, if something was done soon.
What do you tell people when they are factually wrong, then?
You always say “read it” but what you mean is “ interpret it the way I do”
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