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    Re: President Trump

    It wasn’t the first time he had made that point about the years before the pandemic, so I knew what he attributed it to.

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    For those of you who don't have their heads in the sand...we all know that obummer did nothing for the economy and presided over the weakest recovery in human history, following the Dem-caused mortgage crisis. Trump comes along and the economy takes off like a Saturn 5 rocket. Trump was on pace to challenge Clinton and Reagan for having the best 8-year run for the economy. Of course, had the election not have been stolen, Trump would have been dealt an economic set-back due to the China virus and his overall 8-year tenure would probably have fallen short and he ended up in 3rd place, all time. Even without the pandemic, it was probable he would have finished 3rd, but he would have gotten very, very close to the lofty heights set by Clinton and Reagan. AND! Trump accomplished some things, and would have done more, than either Clinton or Reagan did.

    Meanwhile, obummer is the absolute worst for any president's 8-year tenure. Jimmy Carter might have held that title, but thankfully he was stopped after 4 years.

    Quietly, even the staunchest Democraps admit Trump had the economy humming, and very few have any confidence that Biden will preside over a proper recovery, should the pandemic end during his 4-year disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    For those of you who don't have their heads in the sand...we all know that obummer did nothing for the economy and presided over the weakest recovery in human history, following the Dem-caused mortgage crisis. Trump comes along and the economy takes off like a Saturn 5 rocket. Trump was on pace to challenge Clinton and Reagan for having the best 8-year run for the economy. Of course, had the election not have been stolen, Trump would have been dealt an economic set-back due to the China virus and his overall 8-year tenure would probably have fallen short and he ended up in 3rd place, all time. Even without the pandemic, it was probable he would have finished 3rd, but he would have gotten very, very close to the lofty heights set by Clinton and Reagan. AND! Trump accomplished some things, and would have done more, than either Clinton or Reagan did.

    Meanwhile, obummer is the absolute worst for any president's 8-year tenure. Jimmy Carter might have held that title, but thankfully he was stopped after 4 years.

    Quietly, even the staunchest Democraps admit Trump had the economy humming, and very few have any confidence that Biden will preside over a proper recovery, should the pandemic end during his 4-year disaster.
    So you are saying that Powell, a Republican, has his head in the sand? After quoting him.

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    Re: President Trump

    Confirmed: The Obama DOJ Went Rogue to Spy on an Ex-Trump Campaign Official


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    A newly declassified ruling from a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court in June demonstrates that the government lied about its legal basis for spying on former Trump campaign official Carter Page.

    The ruling states that the information produced by the FBI’s unlawful investigation into Page was illegally obtained and that it “found violations of the government’s duty of candor in all four applications.” The ruling also orders the government that “it must temporarily retain, and potentially use and disclose, the information collected, largely in the context of ongoing or anticipated litigation.”

    Under the court’s 21-page assessment, information obtained by all four of the warrants and applications is invalidated due to its illegal acquisition, unless the Department of Justice is using it “to investigate or prosecute potential crimes relating to the conduct of the Page or Crossfire Hurricane investigations” such as the FBI’s overreach and its violations of FISA.
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    This ruling…confirms what the FISA court and the Department of Justice both previously declared in January about the FBI’s investigation: that at least two of the four applications allowing “electronic surveillance and physical search targeting Page” by the FBI were “unlawfully authorized.”

    The ends justify the means.. doesn't matter if illegal or not...

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    Re: President Trump

    Powell was a RINO not a Republican.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    So you are saying that Powell, a Republican, has his head in the sand? After quoting him.
    My post stands on its own merits. It is historical facts. I did not vote for Clinton, either time, but I acknowledge his great run with the economy during his tenure. Yeah, it's true that often POTUSs get too much credit and too much blame for the economy. But it is also true that POTUSs set the tone, and influence policy, and create or crush confidence based on their proposed plans.

    As for Powell being a Repub, well, that doesn't mean much of anything. McCain was a Repub, the Bush family is Repub, Romney is Repub....

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    Re: President Trump

    Trump's favorable numbers are climbing, and in some states, have hit an all-time high.

    In Iowa, for instance, his favorable rate is at 53%. Iowa is significant since their caucus kicks off the POTUS election cycle every 4 years.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    My post stands on its own merits. It is historical facts. I did not vote for Clinton, either time, but I acknowledge his great run with the economy during his tenure. Yeah, it's true that often POTUSs get too much credit and too much blame for the economy. But it is also true that POTUSs set the tone, and influence policy, and create or crush confidence based on their proposed plans.

    As for Powell being a Repub, well, that doesn't mean much of anything. McCain was a Repub, the Bush family is Repub, Romney is Repub....
    Clinton saw the writing on the wall and relented to Newt's revolution.

    The first thing he did was cease the stupid healthcare express run by Hillary. Probably put a piece of tape over her sewer mouth and locked her in the closet, too.

    The result was a booming economy and being re-elected.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    Clinton saw the writing on the wall and relented to Newt's revolution.

    The first thing he did was cease the stupid healthcare express run by Hillary. Probably put a piece of tape over her sewer mouth and locked her in the closet, too.

    The result was a booming economy and being re-elected.
    It helped that the GOP ran a guy who had zero chance of winning. They did the same vs Obama for his second term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    It helped that the GOP ran a guy who had zero chance of winning. They did the same vs Obama for his second term.
    You could argue that they did the same for Obama's first election as well.

    Palin was the only worthwhile thing on that ticket.....barely.

    Gotta make sure the Bush version of the Republican party never gains control again.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    It helped that the GOP ran a guy who had zero chance of winning. They did the same vs Obama for his second term.
    Talk about forgettable, I had to google who ran against Clinton to remember it was Dole

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    Quote Originally Posted by SicemDawgz View Post
    Talk about forgettable, I had to google who ran against Clinton to remember it was Dole
    Be nice. It was Bob Dole's turn, ya know. In the Swamp it's one big happy club where the ruling elite treat the federal government as a social club, and they politely take turns.

    That aside, Bob Dole was a decent fellow, a war veteran wounded in WWII fighting in Italy. A member of the 85th Regiment of the famed 10th Mountain Division. He saw a buddy shot down by a hidden German machinegun and left the safety of his foxhole to retrieve the man. The soldier was already dead but Dole felt it was better to drag him back to line. Just as he got the body into the foxhole that same German gun got him. An explosive bullet entered his back near his right shoulder, shattering bones. A medic shot him up with morphine and left him to die. For 9 hours Dole laid there in a pool of his own blood, left to stare at his dead friend and ponder his own fate. Remarkably, Dole was still alive when US troops finally silenced the German defenders and an ambulance team stumbled across him.

    No matter what else any of us might think of him, and others like him, I will always hold a measure of respect and admiration, even reverence, for those who serve our country in the military.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post

    I will always hold a measure of respect and admiration, even reverence, for those who serve our country in the military.
    Reverence? Easy now. Many who have served abuse that service to further their own personal agendas and not what's best for the country, state, or whatever government body they are pretending to serve.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Reverence? Easy now. Many who have served abuse that service to further their own personal agendas and not what's best for the country, state, or whatever government body they are pretending to serve.
    Compartmentalization. Separating what they did in service to our nation from whatever "mistakes" they might make later in life(career).

    Reverence - the definition is "a deep respect." The term is used in connection with religious beliefs, and perhaps you are one of those who have decided it can only be used in that context. If so, I can see why you question its use when referring to a person...especially a person who you may consider to be only a politician. But, I use the word in its wider context to simply mean "a deep respect," which I have, in general, for those who serve our nation in the military. Maybe I should have said "in high esteem" instead.

    As for Senator Bob Dole....the politician...I will have to do some research to see what specific bills he supported/voted for and voted against, but I honestly have no particular memory of his pulling a stunt I would find contrary to the best interest of America (and Americans). I remember him as a mostly conservative senator.

    As for his run for POTUS in 1996... he never really had a chance, and I doubt any Repub was going to unseat Clinton then. It is true Clinton benefitted greatly from Newt Gingrich's stellar leadership in Congress and Clinton, ever the "wet your finger to see which way the [political] wind is blowing," was smart enough to go along. The economy was humming and generally speaking the nation was doing okay. Most people (voters) are not in favor of rocking the boat when things are going well. And being a Democrap, Billy Boy had the lamestream media protecting him...that's why his traitorous sale of missile technology to the Chicoms never manifested into a politically damaging incident. Nor were any of the other missteps he took.

    Dole was boring too. Just an older fellow without much personality or charisma. His right arm was mangled/disfigured from his war wound and to some people that made his whole image unattractive. He was also part of the political elite club, like the Bush family, and outside of the country club Repub circle, he didn't have much of a following nationally.

    As for obummer...he faced two from that club: McCain and Romney.

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    Re: President Trump

    Did you have a measure of reverence for McCain? LBJ? JonBel? Most democrats who served fit that bill. High esteem doesn't work for me either.

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