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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by WWDog View Post
    Proof? I have significantly more connections to the intelligence community than you and that is a complete falsehood! Where is your proof of that strong statement? You are making an absolute statement of which the intelligence community rarely if ever does much less hints at.
    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

    Here is the declassified proof, and then there has been the testimony of Comey and Clapper.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by WWDog View Post

    Clapper has stated several times under oath that he knows of no collusion between the Trump people and the Russians.
    But he has also stated that it is not unusual for him not to know based on his position and role. He wasn't part of the investigation regarding collusion.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Are they leaking to you?
    No, are you getting leaks? No you aren't because you would not be saying such foolish things if you were. I worked in that community and the operational community for many years and know the how it operates. There is nothing in my statement that implies anything other than how these people state their assessments.
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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    But he has also stated that it is not unusual for him not to know based on his position and role. He wasn't part of the investigation regarding collusion.
    The head of ALL intelligence for the US has access to everything and something of this importance would be briefed to him on a daily basis.
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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by WWDog View Post
    The head of ALL intelligence for the US has access to everything and something of this importance would be briefed to him on a daily basis.
    Comey has said otherwise. He said he was not aware of the FBI's counterintelligence investigation that had been going on since July.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

    Here is the declassified proof, and then there has been the testimony of Comey and Clapper.
    Russians have been "trying" for years to influence. Nothing new there. You still haven't proven that there was collusion between the Russians government and Trump people. And to add to Salty's wonder at firing Comey, Trump should have done it when he took office. Comey was out of line even during the campaign. It wasn't because of the investigation. Besides, there is an independent counsel now to look into this hopefully without political influence.

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    Re: President Trump

    Hillary Clinton should have been put in jail and never allowed to run for president.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by WWDog View Post
    Russians have been "trying" for years to influence. Nothing new there. You still haven't proven that there was collusion between the Russians government and Trump people. And to add to Salty's wonder at firing Comey, Trump should have done it when he took office. Comey was out of line even during the campaign. It wasn't because of the investigation. Besides, there is an independent counsel now to look into this hopefully without political influence.

    Good evening.
    I never said I have seen proof of collusion, but that is one of the things they are investigating.

    The independent counsel is looking to see if a crime was committed. There is still lots of shady stuff that may have gone on and we need to know about that too.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    Hillary Clinton should have been put in jail and never allowed to run for president.
    For what crime?

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    Re: President Trump

    Regardless of what the Special Counsel finds out, I think that Trump has done a terrible job in handling the "fake news" of Russian involvement in his campaign. Hiring Flynn as National Security Adviser has to be one of the stupidest appointments ever. The guy even dragged Jared Kushner into the dumb-ass Russia quicksand. I don't know what these guys were up to in wanting to use Russia communications equipment for a "back-channel" when they were not even in Office yet. I still don't know why Trump wants to be buddy-buddy with Russia, the Evil Empire back then and STILL is.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Do you disagree with any of the following:

    1. HRC campaigned on a no-fly zone in Syria

    2. Trump said during the campaign that we should not get involved with Syria

    3. That the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the dissemination of the hacked records

    4. That the information that came out was negative for HRC

    5. That Flynn was one of the first military brass to cast his support behind Trump during the campaign

    6. That Flynn had a friendly relationship with Russia.

    Because I have tons of evidence for each of these points, and I just need to understand where you got lost.
    #3 is totally false. The DNC leak was an inside job, and Julian Assange has hinted as much. And Assange has stated absolutely that the Russians were not the source of the Wikileaks information.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDawg View Post
    #3 is totally false. The DNC leak was an inside job, and Julian Assange has hinted as much. And Assange has stated absolutely that the Russians were not the source of the Wikileaks information.
    Sad that you would believe a hostile intelligence over your own. That is about as unAmerican as it gets.

    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    Hillary Clinton should have been put in jail and never allowed to run for president.
    Not that you care to learn anything that would discredit your unlearned opinion on the subject, but here is a decent write up on the relevant law and why charges were not brought.

    https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/wh...-clinton-case/

    "Justice Stanley Reed wrote the majority opinion and disagreed that the law was unconstitutionally vague, but only on the very narrow grounds that the law required “intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States.” Only because the court read the law to require scienter, or bad faith, before a conviction could be sustained was the law constitutional. Otherwise, it would be too difficult for a defendant to know when exactly material related to the national defense. The court made clear that if the law criminalized the simple mishandling of classified information, it would not survive constitutional scrutiny, writing:

    {The sections are not simple prohibitions against obtaining or delivering to foreign powers information… relating to national defense. If this were the language, it would need to be tested by the inquiry as to whether it had double meaning or forced anyone, at his peril, to speculate as to whether certain actions violated the statute.}

    In other words, the defendant had to intend for his conduct to benefit a foreign power for his actions to violate 793(f)."

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    Re: President Trump

    You don't need "intent" to prove that somebody committed a crime.

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    Re: President Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Reuters is not liberal. Do you read anything other than conservative-based news?
    I read a very liberal newspaper every day, The Arkansas Democrat -Gazette.

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