What do you see as the distinction b/w greed and narcissism? Both are ultimately a means of exalting oneself. What is the distinction you’re making?
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What do you see as the distinction b/w greed and narcissism? Both are ultimately a means of exalting oneself. What is the distinction you’re making?
I think a person can be greedy w/out being a narcissist or a narcissist may not always be greedy.Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I think of greed as wanting more for the sake of having more.
A narcissist is obsessed with themselves and/or something they are involved in.
It's convenient to call Trump greedy because of his narcissistic tendencies, but I've never thought of him as a greedy person just because he wanted to be president.
Creating wealth for others while for yourself and your family is not a bad thing. Illegal gain of that wealth is (Clintons)
I certainly see narcissism as a bigger factor than greed. Not that one is necessarily better than the others. I think most folks who get where he’s gotten are narcissists.
Most may be, but not ALL of them were driven by greed. One extreme example would be clergy who have narcissistic tendencies. Not all of them are greedy, but non-believers have labeled them as greedy.
I guess I was referring more to "cause Republicans to stop seeing Russia as an enemy state"
I don't think the right wing has been as malleable as you think, but I could be wrong. I would say that the left has shown equal malleability to oppose everything he does.
Part of my problem with Trump and one of the reasons I didn't vote for him is his history of political "malleability". The guy has flip flopped back and forth between democrat and republican his entire life.
There certainly seem to be lots of people that think Trump can do no wrong and think he is a mastermind playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. I also feel like he has probably faced more opposition and pushback from within his own party than any president in recent history (and rightly so most of the time). Maybe that is biased by my "bubble".
I think you have to have a certain amount to want to seek the presidency. Being a reality TV star requires it as well. There's no doubt Trump is a narcissist.
Greed is one of the main driving forces of capitalism. Concern for making others wealthy is more of a socialist credo.
Narcissism is a useless trait and is harmful when it is part of the confluence of traits that are characteristic of NPD.
I don't think power was in his list of needs. I think he ran for the president because he wants to be known and loved by everyone, and there is no better way to get that done than getting involved in a national election.
I think once he won the office (which he did not expect), his overriding desire to be successful at things where others fail took over, and luckily he is defining that success in a manner we've been waiting for republicans to embrace for a long long time. And, as his advisors have discovered, he is not a "team" player and wants to call the shots and make all the decisions himself. This attribute is why I KNOW he would never allow Russia or anyone else to work on his behalf....he wants 100% credit.
Everyone seems to be worried that Putin is playing Trump. Personally, I think Trump is playing Putin. Going in there and getting stern with Putin would have done nothing but alienate him and make him more steadfast. As a successful business guy, especially in real estate, Trump knows how to BS people to get what he wants.
All this whining about Trump disrespecting our IC and saying he doesn't believe them is a bunch of revisionist whining. The IC he rails against, and that rails against him, are the same players that told us about the WMDs in Iraq, told us Benghazi was the result of a video, that the tarmac meeting was nothing to get upset over, and that they were not collecting and storing records on virtually every e-mail and phone call in the USA. I don't trust those guys either.
Considering oneself to be omniscient is a trait that would point to narcissism. You have no idea what is in the minds of those who seek to serve themselves, employees and community. Capitalism is not what you make it out to be, but it certainly has bad eggs.
There is NOTHING good about a socialistic economy that the government controls. Some churches do a good job with some of the standards.
Pure socialism and pure capitalism are amoral. Men are impure, so you never see either. What do you make of the socialistic sentiment in Acts 2?
I am not making capitalism out to be bad. But when you talk about “workers” you aren’t talking about the central piece of capitalism - productive reinvestment of capital, which is driven by greed. Capitalism without greed would look pretty third world.
I think I am above-average knowledgeable by modern standards, not omniscient. Comes from doing so much reading over the years. Though most of us would look pretty omniscient if we time traveled to the past 100 years. It is all relative.
When it is done voluntarily, it is charity. When it is forced by a governing group, it is stealing.
No, not quite.
I said Trump's MOTIVATION is rooted in his desire to do great things. He wants to be the best POTUS in history. And he wants to MAGA! That's the reason he pursued the office. And, being who he is, (using my Mt. Everest analogy from the football forum), he's not about to stop at the 18,000 foot base camp. And I'm not sure how you made the leap that I am saying he's just another DC insider. He reveled in the political destruction of Jeb Bush, and the Bush "machine," and in the smashing of Krooked Killary and the Klinton team. The Bushes and Klintons represent the DC establishment in earnest.
But yes, part of his motivation is being able to achieve great things. Why isn't Nick Saban earning a nice six-figure salary somewhere just coaching football? He could be at a MAC school, doing okay, and providing for his family. But, that is not who Saban is. To be gratified, Saban has to be the best, to compete for championships, and make history. That is part of what drives him every day. Ditto with Trump.
Using the events of Acts as a prop for government run Socialism is weak at best. I qualified that in the previous post.
I’m not for socialism...you know that. I just think the dichotomy that socialism is evil and capitalism is pure is false. Sometimes I wish the right’s embrace of capitalism was more like Churchill’s embrace of democracy. It’s the worst system there is...except for all the other ones.
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