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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    This is despotic behavior.

    Attack the courts and the media. Eliminate your critics and those that attempt to hold you accountable to the rule of law. Identify enemies that align with prejudice of your political base. Spread lies and misinformation through propaganda channels.

    If your sheeple continue to rally around you, keep pushing the boundaries until no one can check your power.

    Humanity has seen this story played out before. One of the things that I have always struggled to grasp is how a reasonably educated, economically prosperous, cultural society could allow Hitler to amass the power and do the destruction that he did. Always wondered - if that happened then and there - could that ever happen here and under what circumstances? As I watch this play out and see some of my fine alumn colleagues champion and enable these patterns all because the guy claims to represent their party - I have to wonder, at what point do you dissent?
    As soon as you mention Hitler, you lose. All the hand wringing in the world will not make this like Hitler, Watergate, the e-mail scandal, the IRS scandal or any of the other high-level scandals in history.

    It is not despotic behavior. Comey was incompetent. All the investigations that are ongoing will continue to be ongoing. The head of the FBI does not run the country, and he knows nothign more than the department as a whole already knows (except for maybe what deals he made with Lynch about the Hillary investigation). The fact that you think an incompetent staffer is untouchable is pretty banana republic thinking.

    The sheeple were the ones lining up behind Obama, including the media. They also lined up behind Hillary. Your perspective is hazy.

    Thus far, there has been no credible evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians, and I believe that whole issue was born of "lies and misinformation" spread through "propaganda channels", and this plan was hatched before Trump took office in order to hamper his presidency. If he was indeed colluding with the Russians, he will pay the price for that, and it will be discovered by the many investigations that are ongoing. I hope they start investigating Comey and the previous administration....maybe a special prosecutor is appropriate there.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
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    Just like I expected.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The optics of this look bad. Trump was singing the guys praises (I mean, he did help get the man elected by saying they were investigating Hillary even though they later could not find the evidence to show she committed a crime. Also, he has admitted the FBI was investigating improper dealings between Trump hacks and Russia but didn't decide to disclose that during the campaign). But then Comey admits he is leading an investigation into Russian interference and the ties to some people that were on Trump campaign, and the guy gets canned.

    If that doesn't bother conservatives, then you have truly lost your principles and have no credibility anymore.
    But Comey said they had no evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia.. Diane Feinstein, Clapper, even Maxine Waters have stated that there is no evidence of collusion. On an investigation that started 10 months ago.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    When did Comey say there was no evidence of collusion?

    At Monday’s hearing, Clapper noted that it was standard policy for the FBI not to share with him details about ongoing counterintelligence investigations. And he said he had not been aware of the FBI’s investigation of contacts between Trump associates and Russia that FBI director James Comey revealed weeks ago at a House intelligence committee hearing. Consequently, when Clapper told Todd that he was not familiar with any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, he was speaking accurately. But he essentially told the Senate subcommittee that he was not in a position to know for certain.

    Yates, meanwhile, refused to answer questions about whether she’s aware of evidence of collusion, saying her answer would require her to disclose classified information.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    And don't forget there is actual open and public evidence of collusion.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/course-t...n-intelligence

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Guisslap is nothing but a cut and paste liberal. He is a dawdle and a bore, and one wastes time responding to him. Just read the Democrat talking points and be done with it.

    With that said, the timing of the firing does raise eyebrows in that it was so close to Yate's testimony to the effect that the basis for the Russian collusion rumors was an FBI investigation into the matter. It doesn't matter that the Democrats undeniably flip-flopped. If he was hindering an investigation by firing Comey, that could be an impeachable offense.

    My opinion is that Comey should have been fired a long time ago. Obama should have fired him. The way he handled himself during the election was nothing short of incompetence. He also recently misrepresented at best and lied at worst to Congress.

    But, what I think isn't important. The fact is, the firing was ill timed and begs for an investigation as to his motives for firing him. Trump has no ligitimate complaints that there is such an uproar for an investigation into the firing.

    All this has done is to confirm once again that incompetence reigns in DC.
    It's time to close the doors to the Temple of Janus.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    When people say there is no evidence of collusion, they mean, we suppose, that there is no evidence of covert or illegal collaboration with the criminal activity undertaken in the course of this foreign intelligence operation against the United States.

    But that is rather a different matter than acquitting Trump and his campaign of collaborating with the Russians. It ignores, after all, the overt and perfectly legal collaboration they plainly engaged in with what they knew to be an ongoing foreign intelligence operation against their country.
    From the article you linked. The open and public evidence is campaign rhetoric cheering bad news against his opponent. He is a populist, by definition, spouting what the audience wants to hear. The article openly admits that in itself is legal. This is about on par with the Falcons saying the graphic displayed during the OT of the Superbowl is proof of collusion between the NFL and the Patriots.

    I won't go and say Trump is innocent of illegal collusion, but again, there is no public evidence out there that is enough to convict/impeach.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    That is why there is an investigation.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    That is why there is an investigation.
    You are citing legal activity as proof of illegal actions. At best, you've proven there is some smoke.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by atobulldog View Post
    You are citing legal activity as proof of illegal actions. At best, you've proven there is some smoke.
    I honestly think there should be an independent investigation into a number of things.

    Russian involvement in the election and possible collusion with the Trump campaign,
    Loretta Lynch and her collusion with Bill Clinton and Comey concerning the Hillary e-mail scandal (and include just how much Obama knew and when he knew it as well),
    Where the leaks are coming from inside the government and how closely they are connected to possible sedition by the democrats,
    The Clinton foundation and the possible selling of America to large donors.

    Maybe add to that an investigation as to why Guam has not capsized yet, as predicted by Hank Johnson (D) from Georgia.

    Anything else is just partisan junk.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    I suspect that to most neutral observers Trump ordered Comey's termination and that the memos from the Justice Department were written as justification. So the main question is why did Trump give the order to fire somebody who was leading the investigation against him.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by atobulldog View Post
    You are citing legal activity as proof of illegal actions. At best, you've proven there is some smoke.
    That and the inferences they have drawn from Russian activities - for example, they know the Russians also hacked Republican data and sat on that info. But, yes, smoke is why there is an investigation.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    So the main question is why did Trump give the order to fire somebody who was leading the investigation against him.
    Are you concerned that he was the only member of the FBI capable of "leading" an investigation? He didn't fire the FBI, just the "independent" traitor.
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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Are you concerned that he was the only member of the FBI capable of "leading" an investigation? He didn't fire the FBI, just the "independent" traitor.
    I am sure he will look to appoint someone that will agree with him.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I am sure he will look to appoint someone that will agree with him.
    Giuliani is out. That's a shame.
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