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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDawg View Post
    Comey deserved to be fired the instant he stated that he did not recommend prosecution of Hillary after spending 15 minutes laying out the entire case that would have gotten a true bill from any grand jury except one stacked with hand-picked DIMMS in it.

    The FBI Director is supposed to head the investigation side and should not be playing any part in prosecutorial decisions. Except the hot dog Comey was acting like he was at least an assistant AG if not the actual AG during that press conference.

    I would have no problem with a special counsel being named to investigate the false Russia election collusion claims. As long as special counsels also get named at the same time to look into these Obama era oldies but goodies, and I'm probably missing a few:
    1) Lois Lerner, John Koskinen, and the entire IRS scandal regarding tax-exempt status denials on political grounds.
    2) Obama's Operation Fast and Furious gun-running scandal
    3) Hillary's uranium deal with Russia. That's where the real Russian collusion is.
    4) The illegal rewrites (at least 70 changes known as of a year ago) of Obamacare after the law was passed by Congress.
    5) The Iran nuclear deal.
    6) The Obama administration illegal spying of journalists.
    7) Benghazi.
    8) The Iran ransom for hostages scandal.
    9) The Clinton Foundation scandal.
    10) Obama's tampering with the recent Israeli election by spending U.S. taxpayer money to try to defeat Netanyahu.
    11) The Hillary e-mail/mishandling of classified documents scandal.
    Finally an intelligent comment. It is simple this the time where America will either go Socialist or stand of the principles we were founded on personal accountability and capitalism, far as I am concerned give both coast to the damn socialist let working people the rest, and have 2 countries and at least then there will still be one capitalism country left.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post

    McCain's service makes him a hero, whether he promoted it or not. You are embarrassing yourself.
    No, you are the one who has a ever fluctuating moral compass. I judge a person's character by their behavior, not the circumstances they were forced into 50 years ago. McCain has sided with liberals over conservatives for years.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDawg View Post
    Comey deserved to be fired the instant he stated that he did not recommend prosecution of Hillary after spending 15 minutes laying out the entire case that would have gotten a true bill from any grand jury except one stacked with hand-picked DIMMS in it.

    The FBI Director is supposed to head the investigation side and should not be playing any part in prosecutorial decisions. Except the hot dog Comey was acting like he was at least an assistant AG if not the actual AG during that press conference.

    I would have no problem with a special counsel being named to investigate the false Russia election collusion claims. As long as special counsels also get named at the same time to look into these Obama era oldies but goodies, and I'm probably missing a few:
    1) Lois Lerner, John Koskinen, and the entire IRS scandal regarding tax-exempt status denials on political grounds.
    2) Obama's Operation Fast and Furious gun-running scandal
    3) Hillary's uranium deal with Russia. That's where the real Russian collusion is.
    4) The illegal rewrites (at least 70 changes known as of a year ago) of Obamacare after the law was passed by Congress.
    5) The Iran nuclear deal.
    6) The Obama administration illegal spying of journalists.
    7) Benghazi.
    8) The Iran ransom for hostages scandal.
    9) The Clinton Foundation scandal.
    10) Obama's tampering with the recent Israeli election by spending U.S. taxpayer money to try to defeat Netanyahu.
    11) The Hillary e-mail/mishandling of classified documents scandal.
    Read Fox News, Drudge, Breitbart, and WND much? You should really explore the real news universe.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    No, you are the one who has a ever fluctuating moral compass. I judge a person's character by their behavior, not the circumstances they were forced into 50 years ago. McCain has sided with liberals over conservatives for years.
    What you are describing are men that put country above party.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDawg View Post
    Comey deserved to be fired the instant he stated that he did not recommend prosecution of Hillary after spending 15 minutes laying out the entire case that would have gotten a true bill from any grand jury except one stacked with hand-picked DIMMS in it.

    The FBI Director is supposed to head the investigation side and should not be playing any part in prosecutorial decisions. Except the hot dog Comey was acting like he was at least an assistant AG if not the actual AG during that press conference.

    I would have no problem with a special counsel being named to investigate the false Russia election collusion claims. As long as special counsels also get named at the same time to look into these Obama era oldies but goodies, and I'm probably missing a few:
    1) Lois Lerner, John Koskinen, and the entire IRS scandal regarding tax-exempt status denials on political grounds.
    2) Obama's Operation Fast and Furious gun-running scandal
    3) Hillary's uranium deal with Russia. That's where the real Russian collusion is.
    4) The illegal rewrites (at least 70 changes known as of a year ago) of Obamacare after the law was passed by Congress.
    5) The Iran nuclear deal.
    6) The Obama administration illegal spying of journalists.
    7) Benghazi.
    8) The Iran ransom for hostages scandal.
    9) The Clinton Foundation scandal.
    10) Obama's tampering with the recent Israeli election by spending U.S. taxpayer money to try to defeat Netanyahu.
    11) The Hillary e-mail/mishandling of classified documents scandal.
    And even this list is incomplete. But, it would be a good start.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDawg View Post
    Comey deserved to be fired the instant he stated that he did not recommend prosecution of Hillary after spending 15 minutes laying out the entire case that would have gotten a true bill from any grand jury except one stacked with hand-picked DIMMS in it.
    If President Trump agreed, for some reason he waited almost four months after taking office to pull the trigger. That is interesting behavior from a guy who is known for quite readily saying "you're fired."

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    He should have waited longer or done it sooner?
    Based on the reasoning they put forward in the AG/Deputy AG's memo (which was written this week), it should have been on Inauguration Day.

    You can't deny the timing is suspect given the administrations stated reasons.

    I fully agree with FriscoDawg and Maverick. There's no doubt Comey deserved to be fired. But the timing is going to raise legitimate questions and burn yet more of the administration's scarce political capital.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Read Fox News, Drudge, Breitbart, and WND much? You should really explore the real news universe.
    http://www.alternet.org/media/scienc...st-misinformed

    “Selective exposure is the clearest way to look at how people create their own realities, based upon their views of the world,” says Hart. “Everybody knows this happens.”

    Indeed, by 2009, Hart and a team of researchers were able to perform a meta-analysis—a statistically rigorous overview of published studies on selective exposure—that pooled together 67 relevant studies, encompassing almost 8,000 individuals. As a result, he found that people overall were nearly twice as likely to consume ideologically congenial information as to consume ideologically inconvenient information—and in certain circumstances, they were even more likely than that.

    When are people most likely to seek out self-affirming information? Hart found that they’re most vulnerable to selective exposure if they have defensive goals—for instance, being highly committed to a preexisting view, and especially a view that is tied to a person’s core values. Another defensive motivation identified in Hart’s study was closed-mindedness, which makes a great deal of sense. It is probably part of the definition of being closed-minded, or dogmatic, that you prefer to consume information that agrees with what you already believe.

    So who’s closed-minded? Multiple studies have shown that political conservatives—e.g., Fox viewers--tend to have a higher need for closure. Indeed, this includes a group called right-wing authoritarians, who are increasingly prevalent in the Republican Party. This suggests they should also be more likely to select themselves into belief-affirming information streams, like Fox News or right-wing talk radio or the Drudge Report. Indeed, a number of research results support this idea.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    What you are describing are men that put country above party.
    Sorry, but McCain is everywhere on all issues. It is not about patriotism with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by LATechBanjo View Post
    Based on the reasoning they put forward in the AG/Deputy AG's memo (which was written this week), it should have been on Inauguration Day.

    You can't deny the timing is suspect given the administrations stated reasons.

    I fully agree with FriscoDawg and Maverick. There's no doubt Comey deserved to be fired. But the timing is going to raise legitimate questions and burn yet more of the administration's scarce political capital.
    Trump has been "politically expedient" on many decisions. His non-conformist moves are what got him elected. It's really nuts for the never Trumpers to keep searching for corruption. He has made some really bad political decisions, but corruption is not his motivation.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post

    Trump has been "politically expedient" on many decisions. His non-conformist moves are what got him elected. It's really nuts for the never Trumpers to keep searching for corruption. He has made some really bad political decisions, but corruption is not his motivation.
    He has made some politically tactful, yet non-conformist moves. Syria and the Obamacare regulatory executive orders being among them. Gorsuch's nomination and confirmation were handled expertly.

    Regarding the Russia foolishness and corruption at large, my opinion is that it's a giant nothing-burger conjured up by the left to deflect from the fact that their embrace of intersectionality and identity politics was decisive in their defeat last fall. His only mistake was hiring Manafort, which was simply a bad look for the campaign, not evidence of "collusion".

    Here's the problem in one factual sentence:

    Trump fired an FBI director while the FBI was investigating elements of his campaign.

    The problem with the Comey decision is not that Trump is corrupt. The problem is that the timing of the decision gives a legitimate appearance of corruption, because the FBI is actively investigating elements of the campaign.
    If Obama would have fired Comey during the Hillary email investigation, we'd be screaming our heads off, and rightly so.

    Also: While not sure if it was directed at me, I'm no "never trumper". It would be kind of stupid to say you're "never trump" once the guy is in the White House. I'm still hoping he can help push conservative policies through the congress, and am very optimistic toward his foreign policy.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by LATechBanjo View Post

    Also: While not sure if it was directed at me, I'm no "never trumper". It would be kind of stupid to say you're "never trump" once the guy is in the White House. I'm still hoping he can help push conservative policies through the congress, and am very optimistic toward his foreign policy.
    No it is now a catch all term for RINOs (like McCain) Democrats, and other socialist who want more taxes, more government, and single pay health care.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Hiring Flynn wasn't a mistake?

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Was publicly encouraging Russia and Wikileaks to hack and leak a mistake?

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Hiring Flynn wasn't a mistake?
    No. Firing him 18 days too late was, however.

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    Re: Comey's Firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Was publicly encouraging Russia and Wikileaks to hack and leak a mistake?
    No. I thought it was stupid, but since he got elected, it wasn't a mistake. So I guess you think that's an act of high crimes and misdemeanors?

    You see, these are the idiotic things the left is focusing on. There are ACTUAL, REAL problems with some of the things Trump does. What you're bringing up is not even worth mentioning.

    Rolling out a travel ban executive order which doesn't exclude green-card holders is a mistake. Tweeting your poorly-worded midnight thoughts on substantial policy issues as the leader of the free world is a mistake. Bringing the Turkish president into the White House and congratulating him on his dictatorial "referendum" is a mistake. Holding a joint presser with Mahmoud Abbas and flying a PLO flag in the White House is a mistake. Trying to foist a crappy AHCA bill upon the congress while holding no ideological position except the leftist view of health care as a human right, ie "make sure everybody gets covered" and then try to get it passed in 2 weeks, all while you promised to REPEAL EVERY WORD OF OBAMACARE, is a mistake.

    Agreeing to yet another CR with NO funding for a border wall and continued funding for planned parenthood, all to avoid a meaningless "goverment shutdown" when you control the Oval Office and BOTH houses of congress is a mistake.

    Firing Comey, then holding a meeting with a Russian ambassador the next day is a mistake.

    Yet, with the cornucopia of mistakes thus far, you're going to circle back to a campaign stump speech?

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