Looks Like Trump Didn't Lie

[DONW]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/fisa-court-finds-very-serious-fourth-amendment-issue-obamas-widespread-illegal-searc

Of course, these discoveries and their timing, coming just before the 2016 election, are even more suspicious in light of the Obama administration's efforts to 'unmask' intelligence on various Trump campaign officials shortly after the election.
As Circa noted, the American Civil Liberties Union said the newly disclosed violations are some of the most serious to ever be documented and strongly call into question the U.S. intelligence community’s ability to police itself and safeguard American’s privacy as guaranteed by the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections against unlawful search and seizure.

Looks like Mueller's job just got longer.

[Blue Dawg]

I really, really, really wish Zero Hedge wouldn't publish under that pseudonym.

[Guisslapp]

Yeah, that FISA court opinion does not remotely suggest Trump didn't lie. That was taking about improper searching of upstream collection of internet data. Yeah, a problem - of the type that Snowden exposed - but not wiretapping Trump, which seems to have evolved into a new lie of "improper unmasking", which has also been debunked. I suppose the lie will continue to evolve and the Trump sheeple will continue to not notice.

[DONW]

I really, really, really wish Zero Hedge wouldn't publish under that pseudonym.

Here's another article with more information. http://circa.com/politics/barack-oba...g-on-americans

[Blue Dawg]

Here's another article with more information. http://circa.com/politics/barack-oba...g-on-americans

Saw that one earlier this morning, was very good.

I don't disagree with ZH, usually they do a fair job of giving sources, of course with their own biases but thats expected. Just hard to take seriously.

[dawg80]

Yep, obummer committed all kinds of felonies, as did (does...) Krooked Killary.

Trump's only "crime" is he dared to beat the libtards' darling, KKK, in an open, fair election.

[DawgyNWindow]

Yeah, that FISA court opinion does not remotely suggest Trump didn't lie. That was taking about improper searching of upstream collection of internet data. Yeah, a problem - of the type that Snowden exposed - but not wiretapping Trump, which seems to have evolved into a new lie of "improper unmasking", which has also been debunked. I suppose the lie will continue to evolve and the Trump sheeple will continue to not notice.

Arguing about whether improperly using electronic surveillance against a political adversary is the same thing as wiretapping is like arguing what the definition of "IS" is or what the true definition of "sex" is. If I were in Trump's place, I would have used the term wiretapping as well to describe how personal conversations became public knowledge.

I am not in law enforcement and I am not a government geek. Honestly, I don't even care what the correct definition of "wire tapping" is, because there are so many ways the government can dig into your personal information and use it against you. It should bother you that this information is collected and available to political operatives, and that agencies of the government can be staffed with political operatives that do the political bidding of the person that put them there (the IRS and the Justice Department are two of the ones that were subverted under Obama).

[Guisslapp]

Arguing about whether improperly using electronic surveillance against a political adversary is the same thing as wiretapping is like arguing what the definition of "IS" is or what the true definition of "sex" is. If I were in Trump's place, I would have used the term wiretapping as well to describe how personal conversations became public knowledge.

I am not in law enforcement and I am not a government geek. Honestly, I don't even care what the correct definition of "wire tapping" is, because there are so many ways the government can dig into your personal information and use it against you. It should bother you that this information is collected and available to political operatives, and that agencies of the government can be staffed with political operatives that do the political bidding of the person that put them there (the IRS and the Justice Department are two of the ones that were subverted under Obama).

But there is no evidence it was used against Trump or that high level officials (political operatives) even directed the search of upstream collections.

[DawgyNWindow]

But there is no evidence it was used against Trump or that high level officials (political operatives) even directed the search of upstream collections.

There is more evidence of that (involving Susan Rice) than there is evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians. Maybe she will eventually agree to testify instead of just having CNN, MSNBC and others run interference for her.

[Guisslapp]

There is more evidence of that (involving Susan Rice) than there is evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians. Maybe she will eventually agree to testify instead of just having CNN, MSNBC and others run interference for her.

What evidence?

[DONW]

But there is no evidence it was used against Trump or that high level officials (political operatives) even directed the search of upstream collections.

Any sitting president that would "guarantee" that the candidate of the opposing party would never become president, would have no problem in spying on that candidate. Rand Paul is a big advocate of the fourth amendment, and he will push for an investigation of this huge overreach of power.

[Guisslapp]

Any sitting president that would "guarantee" that the candidate of the opposing party would never become president, would have no problem in spying on that candidate. Rand Paul is a big advocate of the fourth amendment, and he will push for an investigation of this huge overreach of power.

"I continue to believe that Mr Trump will not be president. And the reason is because I have a lot of faith in the American people," said Mr Obama.

The electorate will not pick him, said Mr Obama, because "they recognise that being president is a serious job".

"It's not hosting a talk show or a reality show, it's not promotion, it's not marketing, it's hard. It's not a matter of pandering and doing whatever will get you in the news on a given day."

Obama had great foresight on Trump, but he overestimated the ability of Americans, it seems.

[DONW]

"I continue to believe that Mr Trump will not be president. And the reason is because I have a lot of faith in the American people," said Mr Obama.

The electorate will not pick him, said Mr Obama, because "they recognise that being president is a serious job".

"It's not hosting a talk show or a reality show, it's not promotion, it's not marketing, it's hard. It's not a matter of pandering and doing whatever will get you in the news on a given day."

Obama had great foresight on Trump, but he overestimated the ability of Americans, it seems.

Obama's only legacy for his 8 years as president was Obamacare. He knew it would be preserved if Clinton won and he also knew that it was really a huge failure and Trump was going to repeal it.

[DawgyNWindow]

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"It's not hosting a talk show or a reality show, it's not promotion, it's not marketing, it's hard. It's not a matter of pandering and doing whatever will get you in the news on a given day."

It is not community organizing and pitting one race, religion, gender etc. against the other, either. He has a lot of nerve talking about qualifications. I have been very disappointed that he was able to fool enough people to get elected twice.

He came closer to pushing the nation toward a civil war than any president since the civil war. The stuff you see now is just a continuation of that (would not have mattered who became president....you just choose to be blind to it).

[Guisslapp]

Obama's only legacy for his 8 years as president was Obamacare. He knew it would be preserved if Clinton won and he also knew that it was really a huge failure and Trump was going to repeal it.

Has he repealed it?