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    Climate Change

    We need a new thread to discuss this issue. The other threads previously started "Global Warming" and "Dangerous Global Cooling" have too much "baggage." Need a fresh, new thread.

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    Re: Climate Change

    I'll start with an interesting little story out of Argentina.

    http://www.lifedaily.com/story/shock...BackyardFossil

    This animal is said to have gone extinct tens of thousands of years ago, the glyptodon, the ancestor of the armadillo. These remains are estimated to be 10,000 years old. Preserved in such pristine condition because of the mineral-rich mud. That's cool by itself. I like reading about prehistoric animals and such.

    But, scientists explaining what happened to the glyptodon said they died out from "climate change" they thought, 30,000 years ago. Apparently not, since this fellow dates back only 10,000 years ago. But, "scientists" can be forgiven for that minor mistake, because they are, after all, SCIENTISTS! And all SCIENCE is to be believed without any question. Back to the main point....these scientists say that the climate changed in southern Argentina, 30K years back, and the glyptodon couldn't cope. That happens. But....how could the climate change when mankind wasn't burning fossil fuels then? The GW zealots tell us that "climate change" is caused by humans and our unholy activities destroying Mother Earth. There are no other reasons. The climate cannot change on its own, no way! that is scientifically impossible. Nope! only mankind can cause climate change.

    Guess the poor ole glyptodons didn't get that memo.

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    Re: Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    I'll start with an interesting little story out of Argentina.

    http://www.lifedaily.com/story/shock...BackyardFossil

    This animal is said to have gone extinct tens of thousands of years ago, the glyptodon, the ancestor of the armadillo. These remains are estimated to be 10,000 years old. Preserved in such pristine condition because of the mineral-rich mud. That's cool by itself. I like reading about prehistoric animals and such.

    But, scientists explaining what happened to the glyptodon said they died out from "climate change" they thought, 30,000 years ago. Apparently not, since this fellow dates back only 10,000 years ago. But, "scientists" can be forgiven for that minor mistake, because they are, after all, SCIENTISTS! And all SCIENCE is to be believed without any question. Back to the main point....these scientists say that the climate changed in southern Argentina, 30K years back, and the glyptodon couldn't cope. That happens. But....how could the climate change when mankind wasn't burning fossil fuels then? The GW zealots tell us that "climate change" is caused by humans and our unholy activities destroying Mother Earth. There are no other reasons. The climate cannot change on its own, no way! that is scientifically impossible. Nope! only mankind can cause climate change.

    Guess the poor ole glyptodons didn't get that memo.
    dawg80, did you ever graduate from college?

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    Re: Climate Change

    Glyptodoians were that way. They never paid attention.

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    Re: Climate Change

    What's the matter, salty, got zinged!? Truth hurts, eh.

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    Re: Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    What's the matter, salty, got zinged!? Truth hurts, eh.
    Hardly, but your post contains some significant errors that I find difficult to understand how a college grad could make them. Why don't you go buy a college textbook on climate change, read it, do the questions at the end of each chapter and then perhaps you can understand why your comments about climate change are meaningless. Hoping the best for you, as always.

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    Re: Climate Change

    dawg80, this will make it easy for you.

    https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    Warning: clicking on this link might be the start of your journey of awakening from a very deep sleep.

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    Re: Climate Change

    A wise man once told me "a book will lay real still and let you write anything you want in it"

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    Re: Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    We need a new thread to discuss this issue. The other threads previously started "Global Warming" and "Dangerous Global Cooling" have too much "baggage." Need a fresh, new thread.
    Not sure I would call a lot of those "real science" articles "baggage".
    The earth warms and the earth cools and has since it was formed.....as well as the seas coming in and the seas going out.
    Nuff said. There is no global warming crisis nor climate change crisis. Period! And there is plenty of science in those past threads that prove it along with what a total sham for the almighty $$ the current religion (global warming/climate change) of the liberals has become.

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    Re: Climate Change

    Well, the thread got long and cumbersome...

    I have always stated, as I do now, I stand behind real science. Unfortunately there are those who use so-called "science" to further a political agenda. And too many people are clueless what real science is.

    On this topic, the question is NOT whether the Earth's climate changes....it does. The question is humankind's role in it.

    And, more recently, the issue of the Paris Accords. Scientists, even those on the manmade GW bandwagon (er, gravy train) stated the Paris Accords would do little to nothing to alter the "problem," even if every nation did 100% of what they pledged to do. I saw that on CNN! (that CNN producer who allowed that information to get out has probably been fired).

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    Re: Climate Change

    Because one measure doesn't fully solve a problem means you shouldn't take the measure, even when it is a step in the right direction, even a critical first step? You think there is a one step solution to addressing CO2 emissions?

    This was just political grandstanding. We had flexibility under the Paris accords to do the things that Trump pretextually suggested that he would rather do. The cost of this grandstanding was US leadership and influence.

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    Re: Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Because one measure doesn't fully solve a problem means you shouldn't take the measure, even when it is a step in the right direction, even a critical first step? You think there is a one step solution to addressing CO2 emissions?

    This was just political grandstanding. We had flexibility under the Paris accords to do the things that Trump pretextually suggested that he would rather do. The cost of this grandstanding was US leadership and influence.
    Trump showed excellent leadership and influence, for America and the world, by ditching this rediculous agreement. We/America will not be screwed again (financially, jobs, destruction of companies and allowing other countries like China and India to set their own limits) by the junior high type negotiating tactics as witnessed under Democrat "leadership".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Trump showed excellent leadership and influence, for America and the world, by ditching this rediculous agreement. We/America will not be screwed again (financially, jobs, destruction of companies and allowing other countries like China and India to set their own limits) by the junior high type negotiating tactics as witnessed under Democrat "leadership".
    He knew you would see it that way. That is why he did it.

    The reality is much different. We have given up our spot at that table. And India and China and Germany are going to fill that void. It will cost us a lot in the long run.

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    Re: Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    He knew you would see it that way. That is why he did it.

    The reality is much different. We have given up our spot at that table. And India and China and Germany are going to fill that void. It will cost us a lot in the long run.
    It will not cost us/America. That's the point And if needed these countries will coming running for more $$$ as always to the USA; especially if another enabling democrat with a private agenda and bedfellows gets elected in 2020.

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    Re: Climate Change

    Oh yeah? You still think we have a seat at that table? Do you think we will have any future influence on global emissions agreements?

    Do you think our traditional allies will rush to back us when we are looking for international community's support on something that we think is important?

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