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    Chaos in VA

    No thread on this yet? White nationalists and Neo-nazis causing mayhem in Charlottesville, VA.

    3 deaths at rally

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    If you can't see how Obama, HRC, and Harry Reid produced Trump, then the left is as lost as the right.

    BUT, we should all be able to condemn this.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    I started to post something twice today, but I knew I'd just get stupid childish (and unfounded) comments like yours.

    Basically, once again you had people take to the streets that have accomplished nothing in their lives except to be born with a specific skin color. Then you had a bunch of other idiots come out to greet them. Violence ensues...what a shock.

    Ignore color and your political inadequacies and you will see that this kind of stuff happens over and over again.

    You do have freedom of speech in this country, but you don't have the right to hold a town hostage, kill people, loot or cause general mayhem. I think your free speech and right to assemble should be confined to a fenced area, and if ignored, these things will fizzle out rapidly. Putting them on a camera is like giving a prize for being idiots.

    Calling them Trumpers is about as ignorant as you can get. You did not disappoint.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    My understanding is there was to be two right-wing groups squaring off in peaceful demonstrations, and the problems started when the lefties, bused in by George Soros, started the violence. There is nothing "neo" about them, they are real Nazis (National Socialist Party) and Soros was a Hitler Youth.

    The car incident was some guy from Ohio plowing thru a group of Soros' lefties. The assumption is he's a right-winger. And, that is probably so. But, until it is confirmed, we can't dismiss the possibility of that jerk being a Soros' flunky too, and he did that to try to make the right-wingers look bad and to solicit sympathy for the lefties. Of course had the lefties just stayed home none of this would have happened.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    The statue of Robert E. Lee in the public park is the focal point of this controversy. I know what Lee would say, if he could be asked, "take it down." He was a man of honor and the highest character. He would not want a hunk of marble carved in his image to be the source of this violence. He would probably be surprised there was ever a statue in his image to begin with. He died in 1870, five years after the war ended. There were no monuments to either side in his time. Most of these monuments started appearing in the 1890's and later.

    One has only to read his own words in the aftermath of the war to know he advocated for reconciliation and for Southerners to rejoin the Union, and go on with their lives. Even after the last of the Confederate armies (the Trans-Mississippi, HQed in Shreveport) surrendered in May, 1865, there was a bunch of noise about guerrilla tactics, and the Confederacy reforming, perhaps in Mexico or Brazil. Many Confederate soldiers would have answered the call but they waited to see what Lee would do. When Lee took the oath to the USA, his loyal soldiers followed suit. The war was truly over then.

    Lee was a man of integrity. He had more character in his pinkie than these clowns, from both sides, who clash in the streets today, have in totality. Lee did not believe in slavery, nor did he support secession. He had freed all the slaves he had inherited from his father's estate, "Light Horse" Harry Lee. And he asked his wife, Mary Custis, great-granddaughter of George Washington's wife, Martha, to manumit her slaves as well. She had received her slaves through the tradition of the dowry. Lee would not have forced his wife to free her slaves, out of respect for that tradition, but he did ask her to. (which she didn't). As for secession, he did not support it. But when Virginia voted to leave the Union, Lee thought it was his duty to serve Virginia.

    "Do your duty in all things. You can not do more, you should never wish to do less." - Robert E. Lee

    Instead of removing monuments of Lee, both sides should focus on what he believed in. Because both sides can find wisdom in his words and his actions.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    The hatred of Trump by the left is what caused this. We've heard nothing but hatred of Trump from the left wing loons since 11/7/16. If you preach that hatred long enough, it's going to come back on you.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    The Democrat's continuous temper tantrum over President Trump's win in November, a temper tantrum fully supported by the corrupt mainstream media, is as big a treat to our democracy right now as anything has ever been. Our nation is completely divided. One half will settle for nothing short of liberty, and the other half has sold out for the welfare, nanny state. Maybe it's got to come down to blood in the streets. It usually does when one group wants to control another.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    The statue of Robert E. Lee in the public park is the focal point of this controversy. I know what Lee would say, if he could be asked, "take it down." He was a man of honor and the highest character. He would not want a hunk of marble carved in his image to be the source of this violence. He would probably be surprised there was ever a statue in his image to begin with. He died in 1870, five years after the war ended. There were no monuments to either side in his time. Most of these monuments started appearing in the 1890's and later.

    One has only to read his own words in the aftermath of the war to know he advocated for reconciliation and for Southerners to rejoin the Union, and go on with their lives. Even after the last of the Confederate armies (the Trans-Mississippi, HQed in Shreveport) surrendered in May, 1865, there was a bunch of noise about guerrilla tactics, and the Confederacy reforming, perhaps in Mexico or Brazil. Many Confederate soldiers would have answered the call but they waited to see what Lee would do. When Lee took the oath to the USA, his loyal soldiers followed suit. The war was truly over then.

    Lee was a man of integrity. He had more character in his pinkie than these clowns, from both sides, who clash in the streets today, have in totality. Lee did not believe in slavery, nor did he support secession. He had freed all the slaves he had inherited from his father's estate, "Light Horse" Harry Lee. And he asked his wife, Mary Custis, great-granddaughter of George Washington's wife, Martha, to manumit her slaves as well. She had received her slaves through the tradition of the dowry. Lee would not have forced his wife to free her slaves, out of respect for that tradition, but he did ask her to. (which she didn't). As for secession, he did not support it. But when Virginia voted to leave the Union, Lee thought it was his duty to serve Virginia.

    "Do your duty in all things. You can not do more, you should never wish to do less." - Robert E. Lee

    Instead of removing monuments of Lee, both sides should focus on what he believed in. Because both sides can find wisdom in his words and his actions.
    D80, a very good post. I suspect that when these statues to Lee were erected it was to honor the Confederacy.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    My understanding is there was to be two right-wing groups squaring off in peaceful demonstrations, and the problems started when the lefties, bused in by George Soros, started the violence. There is nothing "neo" about them, they are real Nazis (National Socialist Party) and Soros was a Hitler Youth.

    The car incident was some guy from Ohio plowing thru a group of Soros' lefties. The assumption is he's a right-winger. And, that is probably so. But, until it is confirmed, we can't dismiss the possibility of that jerk being a Soros' flunky too, and he did that to try to make the right-wingers look bad and to solicit sympathy for the lefties. Of course had the lefties just stayed home none of this would have happened.
    You better research this a little better. As for Soros being a Hilter Youth, since when did the Nazis allow Jews into their ranks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    You better research this a little better. As for Soros being a Hilter Youth, since when did the Nazis allow Jews into their ranks?
    Soros joined the Hitler Youth. His defenders say he did so to escape persecution, as he denied being a Jew. And, I'll turn that question around, why would a Jew want to join the Nazis? When he went to sign up, no one, including the Nazis, suspected him of being Jewish. Soros, free to move around, with papers as a "Nazi" planned to escape to freedom. Soros himself said his family was anti-Semitic. They were born into a Jewish family, and raised as Jews, but they did not embrace the religion. His parents got fake papers showing them to be Christians, and were able to survive the Nazi occupation of Budapest, Hungary.

    Now, some would say, well, he did what he had to escape Eastern Europe occupied by the Nazis (as a Jew). Clever boy. Yep. But....nope. Because there is a sinister side to his story. If he had to engage in evil Nazi activity to convince them he was indeed one of them, he took that to a high level. He ratted on many of his friends, turning them in as Jews. Schoolmates who trusted him. Those people were sent to concentration camps.

    In 1944 Soviet forces entered Budapest and a battle raged for months, back and forth. When the Soviets occupied Soros' neighborhood he hid in the attic. When the Germans counter-attacked and pushed the Soviets out, George would greet the German soldiers at the door portraying a German-friendly household. One would say, well the Soros family did what it had to to survive the war. Yeah. But, George Soros did not dump the Nazi stuff for good when the Soviets finally drove the Germans out of Hungary. He put it away for pragmatic reasons, of course. Soros was(is) a Nazi. There are other brands of Nazism, not just Hitler's brand. When he moved to England in 1947 he was VERY anti-Semitic, blaming the Jews for everything that was wrong in the world. He attended meetings of Nazi sympathizers, which for obvious reasons had to be an underground organization. The Brits were not too keen on Nazis then. There is no evidence he actually joined that group, as in signed up or paid membership dues. There are no records. But, people who knew him say he attended meetings.

    While a student at the London School of Economics Soros studied under Karl Popper, a philosopher who rejected the Scientific Method and who embraced radical "liberal democracy." This is the basis of much of Soros' world views today. Ironically, Popper was a Jew. But, appears to be one those radical Jews.

    I read George Soros' book, a collection of essays on economics, on world events. I actually agree with a few of his points of view. But mostly, he's a dangerous self-serving radical. He's not a billionaire because he's a "nice guy." He does embrace and advocates for national socialism (Nazi). Again, there are other brands of Nazism, not just Hitler's.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    Republican, Trump-supporter commits act of domestic terrorism, killing a woman, and Democrats are to blame.

    Wow. Can we just step back a moment and acknowledge the tribalism that has taken hold of some of you guys. It is truly disturbing to see through your social media posts what the polarization in politics is doing to your thinking.

    We all graduated from an elite degree-granting institution, yet all of this is apparently motivated by your detest of the "elites". Why don't you count yourself as part of this group?

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Soros joined the Hitler Youth. His defenders say he did so to escape persecution, as he denied being a Jew. And, I'll turn that question around, why would a Jew want to join the Nazis? When he went to sign up, no one, including the Nazis, suspected him of being Jewish. Soros, free to move around, with papers as a "Nazi" planned to escape to freedom. Soros himself said his family was anti-Semitic. They were born into a Jewish family, and raised as Jews, but they did not embrace the religion. His parents got fake papers showing them to be Christians, and were able to survive the Nazi occupation of Budapest, Hungary.

    Now, some would say, well, he did what he had to escape Eastern Europe occupied by the Nazis (as a Jew). Clever boy. Yep. But....nope. Because there is a sinister side to his story. If he had to engage in evil Nazi activity to convince them he was indeed one of them, he took that to a high level. He ratted on many of his friends, turning them in as Jews. Schoolmates who trusted him. Those people were sent to concentration camps.

    In 1944 Soviet forces entered Budapest and a battle raged for months, back and forth. When the Soviets occupied Soros' neighborhood he hid in the attic. When the Germans counter-attacked and pushed the Soviets out, George would greet the German soldiers at the door portraying a German-friendly household. One would say, well the Soros family did what it had to to survive the war. Yeah. But, George Soros did not dump the Nazi stuff for good when the Soviets finally drove the Germans out of Hungary. He put it away for pragmatic reasons, of course. Soros was(is) a Nazi. There are other brands of Nazism, not just Hitler's brand. When he moved to England in 1947 he was VERY anti-Semitic, blaming the Jews for everything that was wrong in the world. He attended meetings of Nazi sympathizers, which for obvious reasons had to be an underground organization. The Brits were not too keen on Nazis then. There is no evidence he actually joined that group, as in signed up or paid membership dues. There are no records. But, people who knew him say he attended meetings.

    While a student at the London School of Economics Soros studied under Karl Popper, a philosopher who rejected the Scientific Method and who embraced radical "liberal democracy." This is the basis of much of Soros' world views today. Ironically, Popper was a Jew. But, appears to be one those radical Jews.

    I read George Soros' book, a collection of essays on economics, on world events. I actually agree with a few of his points of view. But mostly, he's a dangerous self-serving radical. He's not a billionaire because he's a "nice guy." He does embrace and advocates for national socialism (Nazi). Again, there are other brands of Nazism, not just Hitler's.
    You have any proof for your allegations or have you been channeling Steve Bannon again.

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    Re: Chaos in VA

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    You have any proof for your allegations or have you been channeling Steve Bannon again.
    Just historical facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Just historical facts.
    Go ahead post the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    Go ahead post the link.
    Google it...

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