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And my pre-college schooling was very sympathetic to the Confederacy. If I was indictrinated in any way it would be the same way that you were indoctrinated. The fact that I know better now is only because I have read enough and gained enough distance to judge the facts more critically.Originally Posted by PawDawg
That's wrong. You know that's wrong. So, I think you're just having some fun since kickoff is still 11 days away.
You and many other have implied that "slavery is the reason" these "articles and declarations" don't state that slavery is the only reason.
No I'm not. It was not the ONLY reason.
Hey, while we are on the subject of the reason (because apparently there is only one reason, and it was supported by 100% of people in the South) why the South seceded, can anyone tell me what percentage of Americans fighting and dying for the Confederacy were slave owners? Asking for a friend.
Whether it was the reason or one of many, slavery is the reason most assign to the Civil War and the only reason one can criticize the Confederacy for.. There is a class and group of people, white and black but mostly liberal, that assign the problems of our country to slavery and the civil war after 200+ years.
There will always be something to gripe about, statues one day and reparations the next.
I'm all for putting the statues of Robert E. Lee and others in museums or appropriate parks. I'll go see them. But it is hard to explain to an African-American child why a statue of a Confederate general that was erected in the 1960's stands in a public space. Not everyone has the backbone of Charles Barkley to explain it to them.
Here in Memphis, the statue protesters are making fools of themselves on a weekly basis and expending political capital and public sentiment on a cause that most Americans couldn't care less about. When they show up with "f the police" signs and then get arrested, it seems like justice to me. There are good people invested in the "take them down" cause but their movement is corrupted by snakes and they don't have the will or gumption or guts to man the hoe and chop off heads.
https://www.memphisflyer.com/Jackson...-state-removal
You said it wasn't the primary reason. It was the main reason. It was the "but for" reason. I never said that some people didn't have other reasons. For some reason you need to provide false equivalence to the reasons. Is the truth uncomfortable to accept?
Probably a very small percent - I would guess less than 5 percent. Maybe even smaller than the percent of Southerners that will benefit from the President that they voted for in the last election cycle.
Not if it's the truth rather than an opinion.
Monumental lie: What's behind memorial hatred» Read the article
Editor’s note: In last Tuesday’s Alabama primary election to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by Jeff Sessions, a field of nine Republican candidates was narrowed down to two, now headed for a Sept. 26 run-off. The top vote-getter was former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore (39 percent), with the state’s former attorney general, Luther Strange, placing second (33 percent). And a post-election poll now shows Moore with a commanding 19-point lead over Strange.
Roy Moore is best known for his dramatic stand, while chief justice, against the removal of a Ten Commandments monument from his own courthouse, a stance that resulted in his being removed from the state’s high court.
Since monuments – not only those commemorating Civil War heroes – but also America’s Founding Fathers, from George Washington to Thomas Jefferson and even Abraham Lincoln, are currently under attack across America, WND is presenting the following in-depth look, not just at the story of Judge Roy Moore and his battle to save the Ten Commandments monument, but the far more crucial battle at the heart of monument removal then and now – the fundamental transformation of America’s core operating system, the Constitution of the United States. For that is what is truly under attack.
image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/08/Lin...Chicago-TW.jpgThe following is excerpted from David Kupelian’s culture-war best-seller, “The Marketing of Evil,” a chapter titled “Buying the Big Lie.”
A bust of Abraham Lincoln torched by activists in West Englewood (Photo: Twitter)
“Get your hands off our God!” shouted one indignant protester.
Others, urging him to stay calm, knelt on the ground and prayed. Still other demonstrators took to chanting, “Put it back! Put it back! Put it back! …”
Prominent national voices wailed in indignation. Dismayed and angered Americans unleashed a fusillade of letters, faxes and e-mails to politicians and newspapers and each other. Evangelical leader Dr. James Dobson, who had urged his 3 million radio listeners to head to Montgomery, Alabama, in a show of support, fervently warned that America was witnessing a campaign “to remove every vestige of faith or reverence for God from the public square.”
But all the agonized protests were to no avail.
The spectacular 5,300-pound monument of the Ten Commandments, installed in the courthouse’s rotunda by then-Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy O. Moore, was being kicked out.
It took little more than an hour for three workers and a security guard to hoist the washing machine-sized granite cube onto a dolly and scoot it out of sight of television cameras to an undisclosed location – and out of public view.
image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/08/10-...ts-removal.jpgTo top off the spectacle, Moore was then suspended from his position as the state’s top jurist for defying the mandate of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson, who had ordered the monument’s removal.
Workers remove Ten Commandments monument from the grounds of the Alabama Judicial Building in 2003
image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/08/Jud...n-Thompson.jpgExactly why, you ask, did the 10 Commandments – the spiritual basis for America’s laws, and which are carved into the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C. – have to be banished from the Alabama Judicial Building?
U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson (Photo: USCourts.gov)
You see, Judge Thompson had determined that the monument violated the First Amendment’s “Establishment Clause,” which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
“Congress shall make no law.” Thompson never did explain how a granite display of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse constituted Congress “making a law.”
But that didn’t matter. Somehow, though the vast majority of Americans are repulsed by it, a virulent and increasingly pervasive legal theory of the First Amendment holds that Christmas manger scenes must be eliminated from public places, commencement exercises conducted without a prayer, and kids must refrain from saying “Merry Christmas” at school.
How far, millions wonder aloud, can this judicial assault on the nation’s religious and traditional values – a jihad waged most prominently and notoriously by the American Civil Liberties Union – possibly go before someone stops it?
The truth is, the notion of “the constitutional separation of church and state” that underlies all of these cases, indeed, that underlies the legal transformation of America into a de facto atheistic, secular state, is a lie.
It is one of the truly outrageous, malignant – and provably false – “Big Lies” of our generation.
Secularist fantasy
Think back. If you attended public school in the last few decades, you probably remember being taught that America was founded by a lively assortment of slave-holding Christians, deists and free-thinkers who insisted on instituting a “constitutional separation of church and state.” Thomas Jefferson, you were reminded, had famously affirmed this “wall of separation” in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists.
You could be forgiven for inferring from all this “education” that, back in the good old days at least, government scrupulously kept religion at arm’s length.
image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2016/04/Cla...3258586238.jpg
But that would be a truly deluded secularist fantasy. In reality, throughout the late 1700s – the era of the Revolutionary War and the subsequent adoption of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment – Christianity permeated America from top to bottom.In other words, the original American government under the Constitution would have driven the American Civil Liberties Union stark, raving mad.
- In 1777, with the Revolutionary War threatening the flow of Bibles from England, Congress approved the purchase of 20,000 Bibles from Holland to give to the states.
- No fewer than six of the 13 original states had official, state-supported churches – “establishments of religion”! I’ll bet you didn’t know that. In fact, these states – Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and South Carolina – refused to ratify the new national Constitution unless it included a prohibition of federal meddling with their existing state “establishments of religion.”
- Still other states required those seeking elected office to be Christians.
- The Continental Congress routinely designated days of “fasting and prayer” and other religious observances, appointed government-funded chaplains and appropriated money to pay for Christian missionaries to convert the Indians.
What a difference 200 years can make. Today, for every big case that makes the evening news – like the banishment of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama courthouse, or the judicial ban on the “Under God” phrase from the Pledge of Allegiance – there are countless other smaller cases, every bit as mind-boggling:“Injury-in-fact”? From looking at a planter?
- A federal court ruled that a schoolteacher couldn’t be seen in school with his own personal Bible, and later ruled that a classroom library containing 237 books must remove from the library the two titles dealing with Christianity.
- A criminal, convicted and sentenced by a jury for brutally clubbing to death a 71-year-old woman with an ax handle so he could steal her Social Security check, got his sentence overturned. Why? The prosecuting attorney, in a statement lasting less than five seconds, mentioned a Bible verse in the courtroom.
- A public cemetery, ruled a federal court, couldn’t have a planter in the shape of a cross, since, as the court explained, the mere sight of it could cause “emotional distress” to a passerby and thus constitute “injury-in-fact.”
Isn’t it about time we face the painful truth – that we Americans have had our Constitution, and therefore the very reins of power, stolen from us while we were busy going to work, raising our kids, paying the bills and watching “Jeopardy”?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/the-monum...BYxf5fcOcH0.99
Here is a link:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html
Saw Johnny English last night. Had a number of funny scenes.
"All roads lead to Putin" -- Thomas Jefferson
The "reparations" drumbeat is getting louder now.
Good old Memorial Gym
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I guess we need to do away with all monuments and memorials for these presidents, including Abraham Lincoln.
I thought the Confederacy declared bankruptcy.......
"All roads lead to Putin" -- Thomas Jefferson
Good point. But good points don't seem to matter much these days. Descendants of people who fought on the side of the Union, and descendants of poor sharecroppers from the South... will all be made to pay if reparations are ever enacted. It will look like the money comes from the guvmint, but where do they get it?
You think we should have statues to all these false idols?
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