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    We deserved to lose, but...

    If you watch the video from the last play of the game-while the ball was still in play-UAB’s sideline was already storming the field. I’m dead serious when I say if we don’t turn that play over for review, we have no reason to EVER complain about a call in ANY game.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixonfor6 View Post
    If you watch the video from the last play of the game-while the ball was still in play-UAB’s sideline was already storming the field. I’m dead serious when I say if we don’t turn that play over for review, we have no reason to EVER complain about a call in ANY game.
    Yeah that was pretty crappy. Kick was bad, yes. They blocked it, yes. But that is a foul that should have been called.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech52 View Post
    Yeah that was pretty crappy. Kick was bad, yes. They blocked it, yes. But that is a foul that should have been called.
    Unless my eyes deceived, and admittedly that is possible, the UAB defender that blocked the kick achieved the necessary elevation illegally. Also, I saw no movement or unsportsmanlike conduct on the XPs that were missed. Barnes had an off day and I feel badly for the guy. All of us have days at work when we make mistakes.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    Unless my eyes deceived, and admittedly that is possible, the UAB defender that blocked the kick achieved the necessary elevation illegally. Also, I saw no movement or unsportsmanlike conduct on the XPs that were missed. Barnes had an off day and I feel badly for the guy. All of us have days at work when we make mistakes.
    Yeah, but you've probably never lost as much money in one day as Barnes did yesterday. He just flushed a potential NFL career down the drain.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    Yeah, but you've probably never lost as much money in one day as Barnes did yesterday. He just flushed a potential NFL career down the drain.
    Do we agree that the first XP he missed, a 35 yarder, should have had the 3 yard line as the LOS? I certainly don't know, but if yesterday proves to be an anomaly, IMO it will not impact his chances of being drafted, but could lower the round. However, I think he will be an UFA (or whatever they call it) and yesterday wouldn't have changed that even had he been perfect in his attempts.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    Do we agree that the first XP he missed, a 35 yarder, should have had the 3 yard line as the LOS? I certainly don't know, but if yesterday proves to be an anomaly, IMO it will not impact his chances of being drafted, but could lower the round. However, I think he will be an UFA (or whatever they call it) and yesterday wouldn't have changed that even had he been perfect in his attempts.
    Pretty much all kickers are UFA's.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixonfor6 View Post
    If you watch the video from the last play of the game-while the ball was still in play-UAB’s sideline was already storming the field. I’m dead serious when I say if we don’t turn that play over for review, we have no reason to EVER complain about a call in ANY game.
    Those refs know our reputation, we are not going to complain, they are not concerned. Our AD needs to be compelled to pursue this, we need to have the reputation of taking care of business when it needs to be.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    You're right. As soon as the FG was blocked most of UAB's team stormed the field. When Barnes picked up the football and ran with it there were easily 50 Blazers in the field of play. But Conference USA officials aren't going to call that.

    It really comes down to whether we had a timeout left. If we did we could use our challenge and claim there was illegal participation in that 12 or more defenders were on the field during the play. The penalty would have been half the distance to the goal and a replay of the down with one untimed down.

    If you're the Tech coaching staff you have to do several things. You have to make sure you tell the officials before they leave the stadium. I'm not sure about CUSA, but officiating crews in most conferences will leave the stadium entirely immediately after the game, usually together in a van with a police escort. You have to catch them before that happens. Then you have to have one of your coaches or a Tech official in the press box alert the replay official that you are challenging the ruling on the field.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    You're right. As soon as the FG was blocked most of UAB's team stormed the field. When Barnes picked up the football and ran with it there were easily 50 Blazers in the field of play. But Conference USA officials aren't going to call that.

    It really comes down to whether we had a timeout left. If we did we could use our challenge and claim there was illegal participation in that 12 or more defenders were on the field during the play. The penalty would have been half the distance to the goal and a replay of the down with one untimed down.

    If you're the Tech coaching staff you have to do several things. You have to make sure you tell the officials before they leave the stadium. I'm not sure about CUSA, but officiating crews in most conferences will leave the stadium entirely immediately after the game, usually together in a van with a police escort. You have to catch them before that happens. Then you have to have one of your coaches or a Tech official in the press box alert the replay official that you are challenging the ruling on the field.

    According to Dave and Teddy, the white hat gathered the refs after the play to discuss something. Any idea what that would have been about?

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    According to Dave and Teddy, the white hat gathered the refs after the play to discuss something. Any idea what that would have been about?
    If it was about illegal participation they're not going to call it unless someone from Tech makes it an issue.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    If it was about illegal participation they're not going to call it unless someone from Tech makes it an issue.
    Why? Teams are routinely penalized for too many players on the field when the ball is in play. Also, penalties are routinely enforced when the penalty does not affect the play. I'm not questioning your assessment, but a penalty certainly should have been called whether or not a Tech coach made it an issue. It was extremely obvious. CUSA has been overly accommodating to UAB, often to the detriment of member schools that actually fulfill their obligations.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    Why? Teams are routinely penalized for too many players on the field when the ball is in play. Also, penalties are routinely enforced when the penalty does not affect the play. I'm not questioning your assessment, but a penalty certainly should have been called whether or not a Tech coach made it an issue. It was extremely obvious. CUSA has been overly accommodating to UAB, often to the detriment of member schools that actually fulfill their obligations.
    An SEC crew might have called it. But, as I said, it's a CUSA crew and the game is in Birmingham. They're not going to call it. Now if Skip or any of our coaches had run over to the White Hat and said "there were more than 11 on the field during the play and we're challenging it," then they would have had to throw a flag or gone to the replay official for some help.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    According to Dave and Teddy, the white hat gathered the refs after the play to discuss something. Any idea what that would have been about?
    I heard Dave say that, but I don't think the refs gathered to discuss anything. From the replays I saw, it looks like one ref was just calling all the refs to get off the field. There was no ref huddle or discussion on the field from what I saw.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    At this point it wouldn't change anything. For it to impact the outcome a penalty would've needed to be called prior to the official end of regulation. in reality the foul didn't have an impact on the outcome, the kick block was clean, no extras interfered with tackling Barnes. We could turn it in to prove a point & hold the league accountable but it's not like the L & W are gonna be reversed.
    The title of thread is correct - we deserved to lose this game based on our terrible performance.

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    Re: We deserved to lose, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceWillisDawg View Post
    At this point it wouldn't change anything. For it to impact the outcome a penalty would've needed to be called prior to the official end of regulation. in reality the foul didn't have an impact on the outcome, the kick block was clean, no extras interfered with tackling Barnes. We could turn it in to prove a point & hold the league accountable but it's not like the L & W are gonna be reversed.
    The title of thread is correct - we deserved to lose this game based on our terrible performance.
    A penalty against the defense as time expires results in an untimed down. Penalties that don't impact a play are called routinely. There were plenty of uncalled infractions that did affect the play throughout the game, like UABs right tackle holding on practically every pass play. Yes, our team played poorly yesterday but still could have won the game. I am not blaming our loss on the refs as our team should have played better. But days like yesterday happen to every team and seemingly small things at the time can alter who wins and loses.

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