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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    It's against everyone, now. Producers, transporters, sellers, users, acquaintances, and so on.

    Government can solve problems with help from businesses and active citizens. Can't legislate prejudice away, but can diminish its impact.

    Just to name a few:
    NAFTA and pretty much every other free trade agreement. (Doesn't mean there aren't problems.)
    Veteran's healthcare through the VA. (Doesn't mean there aren't problems.)
    COBRA, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, SNAP/EBT, Section 8, etc. and other welfare benefits that have overall helped Americans. (Doesn't mean there aren't problems.)
    Eradication of polio.
    Expansion of vote to women and citizens of color.
    Ending of slavery.
    Desegregation.
    Creation of the national parks.
    Land Ordinance of 1785.
    Homestead Act of 1862.
    Public education. (Doesn't mean there aren't problems.)
    Montgomery GI Bill and Post-9/11 GI Bill.
    Public sanitation measures like water, trash disposal, and sewers.
    Roads, canals, airports, communications, etc.
    Worker safety initiatives.

    It's not my PC world. I think systemic is a catch-all that includes institutional.



    Wall will do nothing good.

    Diminishing demand is the only way to fight drug use. But to do that, you'd have to go against far-right beliefs.
    How are you going to diminish the demand if the supply is still there?. The cocaine coming across the southern border is a huge problem.

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    How are you going to diminish the demand if the supply is still there?. The cocaine coming across the southern border is a huge problem.
    Yep, and obummer and Eric Holder armed the Mexcian drug cartels with automatic weapons.

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    How are you going to diminish the demand if the supply is still there?. The cocaine coming across the southern border is a huge problem.
    Stop giving people reasons to turn to drugs. And if they do turn to them, get them treatment, then stop putting them in positions to relapse.

    If you want to attack the supply, it may help to get Columbia to do something more than token actions. The U.S. has sent $10-billion to Columbia through Plan Columbia and yet crops have doubled in the last 4 years. I would say we haven't gotten any value from that, at all. Attacking the end product (the stuff on the street) is nothing but a distraction if you want to attack the supply. Go after the source. It can be wiped out. That'll end the supply of cocaine. Demand will just shift to something else.

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    As long as we are trying to define things, what principles do they want you to abandon?
    Not my personal principles but those mandated by the Constitution. Personally, I am not against social reform, etc., but not at the expense of infrastructure and defense, which are the only things the Federal Government is mandated to provide, and they are not up to par.

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    Stop giving people reasons to turn to drugs. And if they do turn to them, get them treatment, then stop putting them in positions to relapse.

    If you want to attack the supply, it may help to get Columbia to do something more than token actions. The U.S. has sent $10-billion to Columbia through Plan Columbia and yet crops have doubled in the last 4 years. I would say we haven't gotten any value from that, at all. Attacking the end product (the stuff on the street) is nothing but a distraction if you want to attack the supply. Go after the source. It can be wiped out. That'll end the supply of cocaine. Demand will just shift to something else.
    How do you do that? The only way I would think would be ample employment opportunities. The best way to provide that is to allow business to flourish - less fettered by often senseless regulation and business/personal taxation. Trump is working toward that, but so much of our population took his fair election as a personal affront. His predecessor, according to articles in the Washington Times, is using pseudo organizations to undermine his administration, as he did while president to promote social unrest. Most past presidents fade quietly into the twilight.
    His predecessor
    has chosen to remain in DC.

    As far as the drug deal, the USA has done what you suggest and has for many years. Seems like the last resort is to seal the borders for all, since these invaders will not police their own countries.

    Seems to me like we are after the same thing. "Liberal" policies haven't worked. A different approach may. Let's try.

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    Re: real injustice

    to clarify the opening question: i am asking specifically whether there is any injustice built in to our governmental institutions (structure, policies, practices, etc.) that needs to be corrected. this was not meant to be a discussion of how to solve the problems of drug addiction, poverty, poor parenting, gangs, etc. the solution to those problems is worth discussing, but can never come about by any earthly government.

    the way i think of our government is this: in a representative democracy, we all have the moral responsibility that would belong to a king in a monarchy. a good king is both wise and just. a good king does not interfere with the freedom of his subjects (part of being both wise and just). a good king does not interfere with his neighbor kingdoms unless they are specifically threatening his people (part of being both wise and just). a good king does not favor one group of people at the expense of another (part of being both wise and just). the question of this thread is specifically related to justice. what is our government doing that is unjust, and how do we (as the collective king) correct that?

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    the question of this thread is specifically related to justice. what is our government doing that is unjust, and how do we (as the collective king) correct that?
    Kapernick. BLM, and their weak minded followers believe black males get picked on by cops because of convenient statistics. They FINALLY came up with answers other than reparations which is still a must in their minds.

    1. Decriminalization - Stop making so many laws that apply to black people like saggin'. Nothing wrong with crotch grabbing and ass showing. It's part of the culture.

    2. Stop jailing people for minor infractions like not paying tickets and fines. Let them work off the fines, give them reminder calls, and/or a ride to the courthouse to pay the fines.

    3. Drug addicts are mentally ill. They should not be treated like criminals even if they commit a crime. They need help not jail

    4. The police don't follow the 4th amendment which leads to more black arrests.

    5. Mandatory body cams

    6. Each state should have an independent council to investigate AND prosecute police.

    7. Have oversight committees who can randomly show up and do a ride along with police.

    8. Take away military grade weapons from police.

    9. Form a "national standard" for use of force.

    10. Teach police how to be part of the community again.

    Can't make this up...
    http://thegruelingtruth.net/football...tarted-it-all/

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Kapernick. BLM, and their weak minded followers believe black males get picked on by cops because of convenient statistics. They FINALLY came up with answers other than reparations which is still a must in their minds.


    http://thegruelingtruth.net/football...tarted-it-all/
    Well, I agree with #2 anyway.

    Of course, as soon as you figure out a way to let them "work off" the fines, someone is going to scream doing that is the equivalent to slavery or something like that which will lead to civil rights lawsuits. Also, if they get injured while working off the fines, the courts will be full of cases where the injured party is suing the state (or city) and the juries will be stacked with folks that have never worked a day in their lives.

    So, the way our society operates, I don't know if it's practical to implement even that one solution.

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    to clarify the opening question: i am asking specifically whether there is any injustice built in to our governmental institutions (structure, policies, practices, etc.) that needs to be corrected. this was not meant to be a discussion of how to solve the problems of drug addiction, poverty, poor parenting, gangs, etc. the solution to those problems is worth discussing, but can never come about by any earthly government.

    the way i think of our government is this: in a representative democracy, we all have the moral responsibility that would belong to a king in a monarchy. a good king is both wise and just. a good king does not interfere with the freedom of his subjects (part of being both wise and just). a good king does not interfere with his neighbor kingdoms unless they are specifically threatening his people (part of being both wise and just). a good king does not favor one group of people at the expense of another (part of being both wise and just). the question of this thread is specifically related to justice. what is our government doing that is unjust, and how do we (as the collective king) correct that?
    When I am King, that is the way it will be

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    Re: real injustice

    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    When I am King, that is the way it will be
    Just say that you are a King trapped in the body of a subject and make it happen.

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    Re: real injustice

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