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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    the only assumption i am making is that there are people now who buy insurance and don't use it (or don't use it much) and will stop buying it once they are no longer required to.
    I was making this assumption as well, and I think PD is saying this will not change premiums because the entire program does not operate on free market rules anyway. I don't really understand, but I don't understand virtually anything the government comes up with.

    This is why both political parties are bad. The repubs see a problem and do nothing. The dems see a problem and insert inappropriate amounts of government, even if it was the government causing the problem in the first place. Under both the issue gets worse.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post

    This is why both political parties are bad. The repubs see a problem and do nothing. The dems see a problem and insert inappropriate amounts of government, even if it was the government causing the problem in the first place. Under both the issue gets worse.
    Obamacare was never about solving a problem. It was the first step in an attempt to take over a 3 trillion dollar industry.

    Your are right about the GOP though. They had no plan to fight Obamacare and they still don't have one. Many of the RINOs are in on the fix.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    The price was going up anyway.
    this is exactly right, but it does not change the fact that eliminating the individual mandate makes it worse rather than better. the whole thing has to go, not just the individual mandate.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    So, if people can’t practically provide something for themselves and the government steps in it is not socialism? How did humans exist for tens of thousand years without roads or armies?

    It is wrong to assume I am for welfare.
    Both parties have many socialist aspects. The Democrats largely embrace that label. Government provided roads and armies are part of this. They may be types of socialism that we decide we can live with, and that other types aren't.

    I'm conservative libertarian. I *think* you are liberal libertarian. So I think we agree on a lot here.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    People are not buying what costs THOUSANDS each year to avoid a few hundred in fines. Only a few may stop buying now but not enough to cause the price to go up more.
    That should be a quantifiable claim. What do the numbers say?

    Not everybody loves on a spreadsheet. I would’ve been better off being uninsured, but we didn’t choose to do that.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    *lives

    (Still sucks that you can’t edit on mobile).

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dawg View Post
    Both parties have many socialist aspects. The Democrats largely embrace that label. Government provided roads and armies are part of this. They may be types of socialism that we decide we can live with, and that other types aren't.

    I'm conservative libertarian. I *think* you are liberal libertarian. So I think we agree on a lot here.
    Exactly, we already have socialized roadways and infrastructure, socialized schools, socialized law enforcement, and socialized defense, among many other socialized programs that are popular among conservatives.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    My mistake. I thought when we had this discussion before you said you had Obamacare and no longer had coverage through work. Out of curiosity, have you priced an Obamacare policy for you and your family?
    Honestly, I've never bothered to do so because I've always had insurance through work. Now that both my wife and I are in the school system, I don't ever foresee that happening.

    The only time I've ever really needed it was pre-ACA when I lost my job and had to get on COBRA for about two months.
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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    this is exactly right, but it does not change the fact that eliminating the individual mandate makes it worse rather than better. the whole thing has to go, not just the individual mandate.
    Not a fact, but logic that does not apply to Obamcare. The whole thing will be going next year.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    That should be a quantifiable claim. What do the numbers say? .
    There are no real numbers unless you choose to believe the CBO who is made up of a bunch of establishment thieves. Another Nixon screw up.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Exactly, we already have socialized roadways and infrastructure, socialized schools, socialized law enforcement, and socialized defense, among many other socialized programs that are popular among conservatives.
    I really don't agree with these being totally Federally socialized programs as some of the above are state and/or local community run (by elected officials), some run by both as well as some are mandated by our constitution that establishes the USA as a free Republic.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    I really don't agree with these being totally Federally socialized programs as some of the above are state and/or local community run (by elected officials), some run by both as well as some are mandated by our constitution that establishes the USA as a free Republic.
    I didn’t say they were totally federalized. I said they are socialized, which they are, even if the Constitution allows for them to be.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Not a fact, but logic that does not apply to Obamcare. The whole thing will be going next year.



    There are no real numbers unless you choose to believe the CBO who is made up of a bunch of establishment thieves. Another Nixon screw up.
    So, no logic and no numbers. That means we’re all just guessing.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    So, no logic and no numbers. That means we’re all just guessing.
    I'm not. You guys refuse to believe money being paid as premiums or fines makes the current cost go down. Those amounts don't matter.

    I've explained it as logically as possible by pointing out the prices/costs have gone up from day one and according the the bogus CBO, the number of people paying has gone up as well.

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    Re: Theoretical Question

    i give up, pawdawg. price is not the same thing as cost, but we're clearly talking past each other.

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