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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech52 View Post
    The Big 10 has been shut out of the playoffs for two straight years!
    Ohio State last year
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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Under the system the CFP Committee has established no G5 is going to make the 4-team playoff. It's that simple.

    Even if Houston's 2016 team had run the table they weren't going to break into the Top 4. The system being used, which is modeled off the NCAA basketball selection committee, is designed to protect the power programs. They would have used the numbers to find a way to keep Houston out.

    Since 2013 the Committee has generally dismissed the accomplishments of G5 programs. They may watch football, but I suspect they watch very little G5 football. Their rankings over the years have impacted the early season's coach's polls as well as the AP poll, which aren't ranking the G5 programs in a way in which they were 10 years ago. Then late in the season the coach's poll and AP poll begin the mirror the Committee poll after its initial release. If this system had been in place 10 years ago, that lack of respect would have kept the best G5 programs out of the conversation in the past decade, as well.

    The best examples are Boise's teams of 2009 and 2010, as well as TCU's 2010 team, all of which were ranked in the Top 6 at one point or another in those years. In fact, Boise's 2010 team was poised to break into the top 2 late in the season before losing on the road to Nevada in late November. None of the those teams would have cracked the top 10 under the system the Committee is using.
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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    What will be interesting about Central Florida is if one or more organizations recognize them as national champions. It could be anybody that would be willing to give them a trophy. Sports Illustrated/SI.com would be a good example.

    Even somebody in their own backyard. And, keep in mind, claiming a national championship from an organization nobody has ever heard of is no different from what others have done.

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Under the system the CFP Committee has established no G5 is going to make the 4-team playoff. It's that simple.

    Even if Houston's 2016 team had run the table they weren't going to break into the Top 4. The system being used, which is modeled off the NCAA basketball selection committee, is designed to protect the power programs. They would have used the numbers to find a way to keep Houston out.

    Since 2013 the Committee has generally dismissed the accomplishments of G5 programs. They may watch football, but I suspect they watch very little G5 football. Their rankings over the years have impacted the early season's coach's polls as well as the AP poll, which aren't ranking the G5 programs in a way in which they were 10 years ago. Then late in the season the coach's poll and AP poll begin the mirror the Committee poll. If this system had been in place 10 years ago, that lack of respect would have kept the best G5 programs out of the conversation in the past decade, as well.

    The best examples are Boise's teams of 2009 and 2010, as well as TCU's 2010 team, all of which were ranked in the Top 6 at one point or another in those years. In fact, Boise's 2010 team was poised to break into the top 2 late in the season before losing on the road to Nevada in late November. None of the those teams would have cracked the top 10 under the system the Committee is using.
    Totally agree..... I mean, come on, it isn't that difficult if they WANTED to do it. FCS and the NFL does it. It would take giving credibility to all programs and the P5 will never let that happen. I still stand by the pairing up of each of the P5 and each of the G5 conference with each other. The winner goes to the playoffs. That is not too many teams. There is no time limit for football season. It is just a random thing in peoples minds. The bowls could be used as playoffs, similar to the way the 4 bowls are used now. It is REALLY simple. You could even put some wildcards in there.

    That would result in an evening out of all FBS conferences in time, though. Not going to happen, unless EVERY single G5 program gets on board with a REAL lawsuit - not the wimpy suit they pursued before. They try to make it sound too complicated. That is not the reason it doesn't happen.

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech52 View Post
    Its only making Alabama-Georgia fans mad that someone will not recognize them as national champions.
    .....well, what's NOT to like about that?

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

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    Ohio State last year
    I was making a joke about them being shut out last year.

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Monday night's winner will have one loss, and nobody else other than UCF will have less than two.

    I have no problem with UCF claiming a championship since FBS football still does not have an official NCAA championship.

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Listened to some talking heads that were expressing an opinion that the playoff gives us just what fans want now. They donít feel an 8 team playoff will get G5ís a seat at the table because the big boys will never support it. They were saying you can expand it, but just to 6 and give the top 2 a bye. I would argue that the P5ís should be forced to play an extra game for every FCS they schedule. And it should be another P5.

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Just one more swipe at the P5 pundits who complain that the G5's can't play a P5 schedule week in and week out. My first point is that usually when a G5 plays a P5 it is in the P5's home (our games against MSU are not representative because we will do a 2 for 1)

    Let's look at the four FBS playoff teams.

    Alabama had eight home games including Mercer (FCS), Fresno and Colorado State.
    Georgia had seven home games including App. State and Samford (FCS).
    Oklahoma - at least seven home games including UTEP and Tulane but did travel to Ohio State.
    Clemson had seven home games including Kent State and the Citadel (FCS)

    So they aren't really playing each other week after week. Alabama only played a P5 school nine times out of twelve. with a bye week somewhere. Georgia, Oklahoma and Clemson at least had 10 P5's on their schedule

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Houston Techsan View Post
    Just one more swipe at the P5 pundits who complain that the G5's can't play a P5 schedule week in and week out. My first point is that usually when a G5 plays a P5 it is in the P5's home (our games against MSU are not representative because we will do a 2 for 1)

    Let's look at the four FBS playoff teams.

    Alabama had eight home games including Mercer (FCS), Fresno and Colorado State.
    Georgia had seven home games including App. State and Samford (FCS).
    Oklahoma - at least seven home games including UTEP and Tulane but did travel to Ohio State.
    Clemson had seven home games including Kent State and the Citadel (FCS)

    So they aren't really playing each other week after week. Alabama only played a P5 school nine times out of twelve. with a bye week somewhere. Georgia, Oklahoma and Clemson at least had 10 P5's on their schedule
    Is it crazy that the least qualified team is probably going to win it?

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Is it crazy that the least qualified team is probably going to win it?
    Points to an issue with our qualifications.

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    P5's want to play low-end G5's at home. P5's do NOT want to play good G5's, regular or post-season. Even rarer for P5's to do a home-&-home series with a good G5.

    Good G5's are reliably denied opportunities to P5 conference membership, fair scheduling, good bowl match-ups & never entry into the playoffs. Yet G5's lack of performance against P5 elites are routinely held against them.

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jharris View Post
    P5's want to play low-end G5's at home. P5's do NOT want to play good G5's, regular or post-season. Even rarer for P5's to do a home-&-home series with a good G5. .
    It's quite common and most of the home and home series are scheduled many years out, so your "low end G5 and good G5" theory is not accurate. AD's have to work at it. Our AD does not. See the Baylor deal he did which is possibly THE worst deal we've ever had with a P5 conference team.
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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    What is the deal with Baylor?

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    Re: Thoughts on UCF as national champ?

    Quote Originally Posted by stodgdog View Post
    What is the deal with Baylor?
    They come play us, then we go play them and everyone gets a free Johnnyís pizza and coke icee courtesy of T Mac

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