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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    Also it is reported that Democrat memo was not even presented to the HIC for their review. When asked yesterday, when they were voting on the Nunes memo, if Democrats could share their version of the memo for committee members to read, Schiff said "No". They are requiring the Democrats to follow the same process (House Rules) as HIC did for Nunes memo. Guiss is being disingenuous.
    Exactly!!

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    God darn, goosey! How is it possible you can be wrong ALL THE TIME?!!! Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. One would think you would be accidently correct...time to time. But, nope, not so far.

    Quote from your stupid post: "without letting FBI or DOJ see it."

    Really? You want to stick to that absolutely STUPID contention? Go ahead and retract that statement.

    Hint: McCabe was let go AFTER the FBI Director Chris Wray saw the memo.

    But, of course, as you posted "without letting the FBI.."

    Also, the memo was available to ANY member of Congress to read if they wanted to see it. That is ANY member, including the 'craps. Of course, in her typical lunatic manner, Pelosi says the memo is inaccurate even while admitting SHE HAS NOT SEEN IT! She of the infamous "we have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it."
    Amen!

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    The “F.B.I. was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it,” the bureau said in a statement. “As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.”

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The “F.B.I. was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it,” the bureau said in a statement. “As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.”
    It was classified. You really think classified information was lacking material?

    When the FBI and DOJ are the ones telling the lies the rules change..."oops that's not what we meant to say!"

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    It was classified. You really think classified information was lacking material?

    When the FBI and DOJ are the ones telling the lies the rules change..."oops that's not what we meant to say!"
    What the FBI is saying is the same thing I was saying. This is just a piece of Republican propaganda to provide cover to Trump and it isn’t even trying to present the facts that would undermine the conclusions that Nunes is hoping people will draw from it. It is purposefully misleading, and it is essentially selective declassification motivated purely for political gain.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    What the FBI is saying is the same thing I was saying. This is just a piece of Republican propaganda to provide cover to Trump and it isn’t even trying to present the facts that would undermine the conclusions that Nunes is hoping people will draw from it. It is purposefully misleading, and it is essentially selective declassification motivated purely for political gain.
    Nope, that's the way your people operate. Had you not had your head in the sand for the last 12 months, you'd have seen this coming.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Nope, that's the way your people operate. Had you not had your head in the sand for the last 12 months, you'd have seen this coming.
    “Democrats on the committee objected and have prepared their own 10-page point-by-point rebuttal of the Republican document. The committee voted against releasing the Democrats’ memo publicly.
    Under the rule, Mr. Trump has five days to try to stop the release for national security reasons.
    Democrats have called the Republican document a dangerous effort to build a narrative to undercut the department’s investigation into whether Mr. Trump’s associates colluded with Russians and whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice. They say it uses cherry-picked facts assembled with little or no context and could do lasting damage to faith in federal law enforcement.”

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Nope, that's the way your people operate. Had you not had your head in the sand for the last 12 months, you'd have seen this coming.
    You didn’t have to be terribly prescient to forsee Republicans creating this specific distraction. This is a recycle of what Nunes did just before pretending to recuse himself on the matter. He is still a Trump surrogate. He just keeps sinking lower and lower each time around, and is willing to try to destroy good institutions all for Trump’s personal gain. Trump will destroy America if given enough time.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    The FISA warrent was illegal. That's what it boils down to and will say so in the memo. You know that and you knew it when it was announce.

    Of course the FBI and DOJ is running scared. The current FBI peeps say nothing is wrong with the memo.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    The FISA warrent was illegal. That's what it boils down to and will say so in the memo. You know that and you knew it when it was announce.

    Of course the FBI and DOJ is running scared. The current FBI peeps say nothing is wrong with the memo.
    Is that what the memo says? I haven’t read it. It is Nunes’s opinion that it was illegal? Or is he just presenting sparse facts that make it look illegal without presenting the other facts that would show that it was legal?

    And if Nunes was worried about the FBI abusing their FISA powers, why did he vote to expand the section that allows them to do warrantless surveillance?

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post

    And if Nunes was worried about the FBI abusing their FISA powers, why did he vote to expand the section that allows them to do warrantless surveillance?
    If one policeman abuses his power and shoots an unarmed civilian, do you take guns away from them all to keep it from happening again, or do you address the one policeman that did it?

    If one commander in the military goes into a village and rapes and pillages and shoots unarmed civilians, do you disband the military or address the one guy that allowed it to happen?

    If a bank gets robbed, do you close all banks or go after the robber?

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    What the FBI is saying is the same thing I was saying. This is just a piece of Republican propaganda to provide cover to Trump and it isn’t even trying to present the facts that would undermine the conclusions that Nunes is hoping people will draw from it. It is purposefully misleading, and it is essentially selective declassification motivated purely for political gain.
    What cover for Trump.. on the Russia thing?? Trump has constitutional right to fire Comey. He has constitutional right to fire Mueller. He has constitutional right to Pardon Flynn, or anyone else he chooses to. Trump has constitutional right to order Comey to halt Flynn investigation. None of these things I mentioned are illegal.


    There is also the IG report that is coming out soon which is reported to be VERY Critical of the FBI and DOJ on how they handled the whole Hillary email issue.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    If one policeman abuses his power and shoots an unarmed civilian, do you take guns away from them all to keep it from happening again, or do you address the one policeman that did it?

    If one commander in the military goes into a village and rapes and pillages and shoots unarmed civilians, do you disband the military or address the one guy that allowed it to happen?

    If a bank gets robbed, do you close all banks or go after the robber?
    I am more concerned about a section of FISA that allows agencies to do surveillance without getting a warrant from a judge. Section 702 allows the IC to spy on Americans transnational communications (email and phone) as long as the “target” is foreign. By the way, this appears to be the section that allowed some intel to get collected on Trump’s campaign.

    The thing is this section doesn’t even require the surveillance to be “contemporaneous” with the communications. Instead, the agencies collect tons of data (including stuff not relating to actual then-known “targets”) and then do “backside” searches.

    So, again, if you truly believed the FBI is or can be used for improper political purposes then you wouldn’t support such an expansion of a loophole that allows the IC to largely get around the warrant requirement and infringe American constitutional rights.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDog View Post
    What cover for Trump.. on the Russia thing?? Trump has constitutional right to fire Comey. He has constitutional right to fire Mueller. He has constitutional right to Pardon Flynn, or anyone else he chooses to. Trump has constitutional right to order Comey to halt Flynn investigation. None of these things I mentioned are illegal.


    There is also the IG report that is coming out soon which is reported to be VERY Critical of the FBI and DOJ on how they handled the whole Hillary email issue.
    Sure, he can fire who he wants. But he doesn’t have a constitutional right to obstruct justice or engage in conspiracy to commit a crime.

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