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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I am more concerned about a section of FISA that allows agencies to do surveillance without getting a warrant from a judge. Section 702 allows the IC to spy on Americans transnational communications (email and phone) as long as the “target” is foreign. By the way, this appears to be the section that allowed some intel to get collected on Trump’s campaign.

    The thing is this section doesn’t even require the surveillance to be “contemporaneous” with the communications. Instead, the agencies collect tons of data (including stuff not relating to actual then-known “targets”) and then do “backside” searches.

    So, again, if you truly believed the FBI is or can be used for improper political purposes then you wouldn’t support such an expansion of a loophole that allows the IC to largely get around the warrant requirement and infringe American constitutional rights.
    “backside” was supposed to be “backdoor”. Same sort of thing in Led Zeppelin lexicon.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    “backside” was supposed to be “backdoor”. Same sort of thing in Led Zeppelin lexicon.
    If I had my way, I'd end all the warrant-less surveillance. I'd get rid of the income tax and implement a sales tax to take power from the IRS (we've seen how that can be abused). With the exception of the military, I'd privatize everything to keep the government from getting their hands on any personal information.

    To do this, you MUST protect your borders and make sure the immigration process is working to keep us safe (we are letting in people that want to be AMERICANS).

    Bush started a lot of this and it made me sick then as well. Obama exploited it for political purposes (which you could expect from any sleaze bag schooled in Chicago politics).

    In my opinion, the terrorists pretty much won when we passed all this junk. You can say "go about your business as usual" as much as you want, but business as usual for me was not having some guy's hand in my crotch at the airport.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Hopefully, President Trump will release the FISA memo tomorrow and it will become clear to everyone just how corrupt the people who've been running the FBI and the DOJ were. I hope to see EVERY single one of those corrupt yahoos go to jail, regardless of who they are or what political part they're affiliated with.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by brtransplant View Post
    Hopefully, President Trump will release the FISA memo tomorrow and it will become clear to everyone just how corrupt the people who've been running the FBI and the DOJ were. I hope to see EVERY single one of those corrupt yahoos go to jail, regardless of who they are or what political part they're affiliated with.
    Only Trump supporters will care because Nunes has no credibility left with anyone else.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post

    And if Nunes was worried about the FBI abusing their FISA powers, why did he vote to expand the section that allows them to do warrantless surveillance?
    Internet "dark web" stuff. I've already addressed this. You ignored that and it was in the link you provided.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Only Trump supporters will care because Nunes has no credibility left with anyone else.
    Spoken like a true tribal lemming.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    After last night, what was once 50/50 is now closer to 60/40. The socialist just keep digging a deeper hole. They pretty much hate everything good about America even if Trump had nothing to do with it. Why? Because Trump likes everything good about America.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    After last night, what was once 50/50 is now closer to 60/40. The socialist just keep digging a deeper hole. They pretty much hate everything good about America even if Trump had nothing to do with it. Why? Because Trump likes everything good about America.
    Seems like Trump supporters really like Trump more than they like America.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Seems like Trump supporters really like Trump more than they like America.
    Yes, they (great Americans) should be ashamed for liking the things the socialist stayed seated for last night.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Yes, they (great Americans) should be ashamed for liking the things the socialist stayed seated for last night.
    Most Americans know Trump will say all sorts of things, but at the end of the day he always does what he thinks is best for Trump rather than what is best for America.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Most Americans know Trump will say all sorts of things, but at the end of the day he always does what he thinks is best for Trump rather than what is best for America.
    In the end? When is that and why do you care?

    The last 12 months have been almost EXACTLY what he ran on.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    In the end? When is that and why do you care?

    The last 12 months have been almost EXACTLY what he ran on.
    And what America needed ASAP after the Socialist/Marxist Obama 8 year nightmare.
    Oh and BTW Guislapp the FBI is totally panicking that we, the American public, will get to look behind the curtain (The FBI's Iron Curtain?)!!

    MOST WANTED: MEMO THURSDAY
    FBI PANIC

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Only Trump supporters will care because Nunes has no credibility left with anyone else.
    You'll be eating those words in the coming weeks. Your hate for President Trump has made you totally incapable of rational thought when it comes to anything about him. You dutifully parrot Democrat talking points just like all your other comrades do. None of you are courageous enough to face down tyranny the way President Trump is doing. You'll come to appreciate President Trump's fearlessness before he's done.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by brtransplant View Post
    You'll be eating those words in the coming weeks. Your hate for President Trump has made you totally incapable of rational thought when it comes to anything about him. You dutifully parrot Democrat talking points just like all your other comrades do. None of you are courageous enough to face down tyranny the way President Trump is doing. You'll come to appreciate President Trump's fearlessness before he's done.
    The thing is, if the FISA warrant was improperly granted (i.e., if it were granted based entirely on political propaganda with no corroborating real intel) - then that is the judge’s fault, not the FBI’s fault for requesting it. It is the judge’s job to determine whether the warrant request has sufficient basis.

    If the memo alleges that the FBI collected intel properly without a warrant, well that is an argument about improper use of section 702, which Nunes just voted in favor of reauthorizing and expanding.

    If this memo is released and neither the Democrats nor the FBI/DOJ are allowed to release rebuttals, then this is 100% a political hit piece (which to me it already looks like, having not yet seen it) and an abuse of national security protocols purely for the political benefit of one person and one party rather than the general American interest.

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    Re: Release The Memo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The thing is, if the FISA warrant was improperly granted (i.e., if it were granted based entirely on political propaganda with no corroborating real intel) - then that is the judge’s fault, not the FBI’s fault for requesting it. It is the judge’s job to determine whether the warrant request has sufficient basis.

    If the memo alleges that the FBI collected intel properly without a warrant, well that is an argument about improper use of section 702, which Nunes just voted in favor of reauthorizing and expanding.

    If this memo is released and neither the Democrats nor the FBI/DOJ are allowed to release rebuttals, then this is 100% a political hit piece (which to me it already looks like, having not yet seen it) and an abuse of national security protocols purely for the political benefit of one person and one party rather than the general American interest.
    They (including Obama) lied to the FISA judge.

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