2nd Amendment

[TYLERTECHSAS]

That woosy armed "guard" and the few cops that were afraid to go in must have been liberals/Dem from Portlandia.
So on second thought, DO NOT allow liberal/Dem teachers or cops from carrying guns to protect others.
Heck, don't let them buy them at all. Yeah that's the bill that should pass.


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[DawgyNWindow]

I would think so.

Or, maybe they can have teachers on "duty." Teachers have a planning period....no class, but that is for preparing for class, grading tests, etc.. still, makes sense for a teacher who doesn't have a class to have a gun strapped on and able to react to an emergency without direct concern over students in their charge.

You know, as I type this....this is really sad we are even having such a discussion. I was a teacher, and I really cared about my students, my kids. I was a coach too and loved my players! ALL teachers hold a special place in their hearts for kids.

We had several bomb scares and had to evacuate the building. It was NO drill, it was the real thing. We teachers never thought about our own safety....not in the heat of the moment....all we cared about was getting all those kids out and to safety. I was also present, and within 100 yards, of pipe bomb that went off at a school. No one was hurt, but it was a scary thing. Teachers are selfless.

Thinking like a liberal here...we need to ban all pipes capable of being converted to pipe bombs.

Problem solved. Next.

[PawDawg]

Cops are trained and certified to act in these situations (or I hope so at least) teachers are not. There's no reason to think teachers, without any training, would do better than trained police officers.

Did somebody suggest teachers would be armed w/out making sure they had proper training? Again teachers and cops are not robots. Your whole argument here is based on one, cowardly cop.

[johnnylightnin]

Did somebody suggest teachers would be armed w/out making sure they had proper training? Again teachers and cops are not robots. Your whole argument here is based on one, cowardly cop.

Many teach without proper training. You feel pretty good that they’ll be better prepared than the resource officer who didn’t go in?

[PawDawg]

Many teach without proper training. You feel pretty good that they’ll be better prepared than the resource officer who didn’t go in?

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I feel good about an under qualified school administrator not being the one who does the training or hiring of "special forces".

IMO, nobody but a select group of police should even know who among the school staff is packing. School administration certainly does not need to be involved in the process.

Some of the liberals are over thinking this.

[Guisslapp]

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I feel good about an under qualified school administrator not being the one who does the training or hiring of "special forces".

IMO, nobody but a select group of police should even know who among the school staff is packing. School administration certainly does not need to be involved in the process.

Some of the liberals are over thinking this.

More like you are underthinking this.

[FriscoDog]

Do they armed teachers teach with the guns strapped on themselves? Just curious about the logistics.

Another suggestion that I thought might be a good idea is to have those teachers who are trained and armed to have their guns in a biometric safe in classrooms, office etc. Only a few specific people could have access to the weapon.

[johnnylightnin]

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I feel good about an under qualified school administrator not being the one who do to the training or hiring of "special forces".

IMO, nobody but a select group of police should even know who among the school staff is packing. School administration certainly does not need to be involved in the process.

Some of the liberals are over thinking this.

Who will do it? How will we pay for it? Who determines when a teacher is qualified?

If you’re honest, you know the answer to each of those questions is the same....the government.

Still feel good? Don’t over think it.

[johnnylightnin]

A school shooting instance is one of the most complicated combat situations. It poses incredible difficulties for highly trained military/police. Asking any part timers (including a resource officer) to navigate the situation is a very big ask.

There is no easy answer here. Anybody who acts like there is is full of it or trying to sell training classes.

[JuBru]

Interesting. Why do you think this? If some of these shooters knew they were open game for an unknown gun toting staff member they'd never try to go on the rampages. Some of the cowards may be suicidal, but not all of them.

They're underpaid, overworked, and too many don't care (as in just there for a check) because of "socialism" or "can't do the job, so teach" mantras or any other of a number of stupid things that is meant to demean teachers and education. For far too many, they're already too close to snapping. I'm reading reports/articles from across the nation about a teacher being attacked or doing the attacking almost daily. Teachers being armed increases the chances of the teacher shooting someone just cause they can or a student getting a hold of the gun and shooting someone because they can. A bad day, of which teachers have many, will turn deadly for the teacher and students. Then the excuses will flow - they looked at me funny, they were dangerous, I was scared for my life, they touched me, they said this or that, etc. Can you say you could honestly stomach teachers killing students not only when there may be a school shooter, but just as a matter of control? Or students because of some perceived or real insult? Or any of the hundreds of other ways teachers and students combat each other?

Any person willing to go through and shoot a group of people isn't caring about their life. Dying is never or rarely is a part of the equation. It is expected by all except for the ones so drugged up or mentally gone they think they're god or invincible. Gun-free zones are targeted because it offers maximum time to do maximum damage. They're also targeted because those locations are often where the most people are and the places that draw the ire of the shooter. Having teachers armed won't stop the shooting. It might diminish the kill rate, but not the chances.

Flooding weapons into an area has never in the history of humankind stopped violence. Banning them doesn't do it either. Both of those views are extreme and miss the point.

Sorry for getting back so late. And the rambling. It's been a weird few days.

Some have suggested more resource officers, metal detectors, locked and fenced campuses with secured entrances. Those are reasonable measures. Other than taking guns away from law abiding citizens, I haven’t seen any solutions from progressives.

Turning our schools into prisons is not conducive to a healthy society.

IMO, nobody but a select group of police should even know who among the school staff is packing. School administration certainly does not need to be involved in the process.

There is no such thing as a secret in schools. Everyone knows everything about everyone else, and especially the stuff that is supposed to be secret. And even if people don't know something, they know something.

[Guisslapp]

Great post, JuBru. Spot on.

[PawDawg]

More like you are underthinking this.

Still feel good? Don’t over think it.

Y'all are going all CNN on this thing. Thinking only old blue hairs or light in the loafer teachers work in schools. There are plenty of responsible school employees who would pop a cap in these nuts before they had a chance to begin killing children.

Let's go with y'alls ideas...ban all firearms.

[johnnylightnin]

Let's go with y'alls ideas...ban all firearms.

Take a break old timer. You’re seeing things again.

[PawDawg]

Take a break old timer. You’re seeing things again.

Then what do you suggest pissant!

[techman05]

So Jubru, how do we tighten up security in schools. That has to be part of the equation because “take away guns” only works on people who follow the law and turn them in. We still need increased security. The only person scared of a metal detector is the one trying to sneak something in. I agree that fences could be problematic because it would hinder the traffic in and out on a normal day.