2nd Amendment

[tech70]

Some have suggested more resource officers, metal detectors, locked and fenced campuses with secured entrances. Those are reasonable measures. Other than taking guns away from law abiding citizens, I haven’t seen any solutions from progressives.

You need to do these things and get the schools ready for car/bus/truck intrusions and or bombs.
Evil will not rest.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

The Constitution mandates the federal guvmint to "provide for a common defense."

As for infrastructure, Eisenhower, a (R), was responsible for our interstate highway system after he saw what the Germans had built. Part of the justification for such a system, according to Eisenhower, is the ability to move military elements quickly around the country to meet threats. Otherwise infrastructure is mostly left up to the states. So, I don't see how that supports the concept of "national socialism."

As usual, you are wrong again.

Guisslapp is just a lawyer.....so how would he know this?

[Guisslapp]

Guisslapp is just a lawyer.....so how would he know this?

So, if the Constitution provides for it, it is not “socialized”?

[CARTEK]

...intelligent but not very smart!

[PawDawg]

So, if the Constitution provides for it, it is not “socialized”?

Okay, I'll bite. I should have asked long ago, but please give us YOUR definition of socialism.

[techman05]

You need to do these things and get the schools ready for car/bus/truck intrusions and or bombs.
Evil will not rest.

True, evil people bent on doing evil won’t quit because you make it harder

[Guisslapp]

Okay, I'll bite. I should have asked long ago, but please give us YOUR definition of socialism.

Socialism is an umbrella that covers many forms of publicly/democratically controlled and/or regulated production.

[PawDawg]

Socialism is an umbrella that covers many forms of publicly/democratically controlled and/or regulated production.

How convenient. When did they change the definition?

Civics class said...
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

So you believe our government owns and regulates all infrastructure and the military? Do you approve of what you believe to be true?

We aren't even close as a nation. There are countries like Mexico that are close.

[PawDawg]

Louisiana needs a couple of these to build INFRASTRUCTURE

The NTTA is governed by a nine-member board of directors, two appointed by each of the four counties in its service area, and one appointed by the Texas Governor. It is a non-profit entity. It performs many of the same functions as the Texas Department of Transportation, but is limited solely to facilities that it operates for revenue.

[Guisslapp]

How convenient. When did they change the definition?

Civics class said...
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

So you believe our government owns and regulates all infrastructure and the military? Do you approve of what you believe to be true?

We aren't even close as a nation. There are countries like Mexico that are close.

I can accept that definition.

Regarding infrastructure: who decides what material and how much of it goes into our interstates and state highways?

Regarding the military: who owns the tanks, planes, guns, etc? Who decides how many people to employ in the armed services and where to deploy them?

These are socialized parts of our economy where the labor is publicly financed and directed (whether wholly by ownerhip or through direct regulation) by the government for the benefit of the community.


It is really no different than what Democrats advocate for health care, and many actually prefer even less government intrusion than in the aforementioned economic sectors.

[PawDawg]

Regarding infrastructure: who decides what material and how much of it goes into our interstates and state highways?

Regarding the military: who owns the tanks, planes, guns, etc? Who decides how many people to employ in the armed services and where to deploy them?

Billions are spent on infrastructure that has very little if any federal involvement. Most states now have toll systems that don't involve state or federal government. As you know infrastructure involves much more than roads and bridges.

Providing for the common defense was in place years before the Communist Manifesto was published. You don't get to label our military as a form of socialism just because it is convenient to your argument. Your logic says our founders were thinking like socialists/communists before those ideas were even in place.

[Guisslapp]

Billions are spent on infrastructure that has very little if any federal involvement. Most states now have toll systems that don't involve state or federal government. As you know infrastructure involves much more than roads and bridges.

Providing for the common defense was in place years before the Communist Manifesto was published. You don't get to label our military as a form of socialism just because it is convenient to your argument. Your logic says our founders were thinking like socialists/communists before those ideas were even in place.

Federal and state are both public.

An economic sector that is in the form of socialism isn’t actually socialist if it existed prior to Marxism being created? Not buying that definition of socialism. And it wasn’t part of your definition either.

[PawDawg]

Federal and state are both public.

An economic sector that is in the form of socialism isn’t actually socialist if it existed prior to Marxism being created? Not buying that definition of socialism. And it wasn’t part of your definition either.

Tollways and Power Plants are not owned and run by the government, but they run much better and actually make money when state and federal government are not heavily involved.

You want to label our founders as socialists because if fits your narrative. That's great.

[Guisslapp]

Tollways and Power Plants are not owned and run by the government, but they run much better and actually make money when state and federal government are not heavily involved.

You want to label our founders as socialists because if fits your narrative. That's great.

I am not labeling them anything. I just said that that sector of our economy is socialized. Not saying that is bad or good or that anyone was a socialist for setting it up that way.

Just saying that because one supports socializing some aspect of our economy does not make them a full blown socialist. You guys are the ones that currently use that “smear” tactic. It is even sillier when you connect it to gun control.

[PawDawg]

I am not labeling them anything. I just said that that sector of our economy is socialized.

Well you are wrong about infrastructure being socialism. Is there a way to supply our military other than through the government who is responsible for our protection? It's not like they can outsource to provision of common defense. That's NOT socialism.