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I was really talking about a part of infrastructure - public roadways.Originally Posted by PawDawg
Private military’s have been around since the beginning of the agricultural revolution, so it is always a viable option. It is a means of production that most people think it is better for the government to own and control. Of course, our framers didn’t really envision the large standing armed force we have today. They clearly thought militias might play a larger role.
You have got to be kidding......what a nice and sweet PC totally BS spin.
I hope and pray that private militias don't indeed have to play a larger role in how this whole debate ends, but I fear that they will. If so, it will not be pretty.
The simple fact of the matter is that there are millions of Americans that will never surrender their liberty. Another fact is that the vast majority of the members of our military also support the 2nd amendment rights the US constitution guarantees to us, and those members of the military have sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. The vast majority of the members law enforcement in our nation also support our 2nd amendment rights. Civil war would literally erupt before gun confiscation ever took place in our nation. There are simply those of us in this nation that will never allow people with views like yours to to take away our rights to defend ourselves from tyranny or any other forces of evil that would do us harm.
Anyone that is willing to surrender their liberty will never have a hard time in finding a tyrant that is more than willing to take it. History proves it.
So now we learn there was an armed sheriff's deputy at that school, joined shortly by three more. What did they do? They hid behind their squad cars and when police arrived, and were asked why they were out there and not in the school confronting the shooter, the sheriff department deputies said: y'all can go in if you want, but we're staying here where it's safe.
And morons want us to turn in our guns and depend on cowards like that to protect us? No thanks.
The FBI fumbled the ball several times on that Cruz azzhole, and morons want us to turn in our guns and depend on idiots like that to protect us? No thanks.
I'll keep my guns, and in fact, gonna add to my arsenal. If anyone wants mine, I'll give it to them....first the ammo, I'll send it to 'em at 3,000 feet per second.
And the other side of this argument is, do you expect teachers to do any better?
These are humans not robots. Some humans are cowards like the cop appears to have been. Your logic (or the logic you chose to refer to) says teachers who would choose to arm themselves are also cowards. Come on man!
YES!
and do better than what.....nothing? Those deputies were (are) totally useless!!! If just ONE teacher in the entire school did SOMETHING....even if it were just took a shot at the shooter, and missed even, it might have compelled the shooter to leave the school or take cover and thereby stop his unhindered rampage. ANYTHING is better than NOTHING!
Besides, IMO, teachers should not be mandated to be armed. But it should be an option for those who feel comfortable handling firearms. I used to teach high school/middle school. I feel perfectly comfortable being armed and protecting my students. If I were still teaching I would volunteer to be an armed teacher. There are others like me. And! it would become a "skill" that schools can look for going forward. Some kind of training certification/licensing for teachers. So a school has an opening for a math teacher, gets numerous applications, everything else being about even, hire one who will defend students.
Pawdawg, I want you to search my question and quote the part that alludes to "teachers who would choose to arm themselves are also cowards." I'll give you all the time in the world to find the because you'll need it. The quote doesn't exist I merely asked a question to Dawg80.
Should the deputies have done better? Of course, society expects the police to be on the front line ready to protect even in danger. Something should change with those police, their roles, and/or the police agency there. However one anecdotal story about police being cowards doesn't mean that all police are cowards and useless. Some police have been shown to abuse their power and kill innocent citizens. Should we generalize all police to be power abusers? No, of course not. So should we generalize all police to be cowards because of a few? Definitely not. We should be able to trust police.
Teachers do not need to be the answer because of a few police officers in one part of the country failed in their job.
You say teachers should be mandated at first and then later you talk about being armed as a "skill" that be a certification for a resume. Which is it, optional or mandatory?
I for one definitely disagree with mandatory. Who will pay for these teachers to get certified? Who will pay for their guns? Who will own the guns? If the schools pay for all this, then its a waste of money especially for how some schools are lacking funds for basic school supplies. Not only that, but you're now creating more red-tape and bureaucracy in government. That's not a very conservative thing. If teachers pay for it, then its another burden on a workforce that is paid very little for how much the costs of living is. Will teachers be compensated for the time and money they spent to get certified and buy their weapon? Either way, if the schools pay or the teachers pay, it's a waste of money. Instead of using that money to arm teachers, you could hire more police officers to put around schools.
As for a "skill" that can be added on a resume for teachers. I'd be open to see what happens and allow school districts to decide for themselves.
Edit to add: I just saw that you said it shouldn't be mandatory. Then I agree on that. Sorry for the misreading!
I think you tell the teachers to be certified if they want. At their expense. I don’t think the public should have to pay for anything. People who have their permit and would carry if allowed don’t necessarily need compensation. What’s the difference between intervening in a mall or a school? Would a responsible gun owner differentiate between the 2? I would hope not.
I never realized there were so many racist companies in America. Black kids dropping like flies in Chicago and not a peep. But now that a few white people are gunned down, they want to boycott NRA.
Pure grandstanding.
Logic says the cop was a coward. You asked "do you expect teachers to do any better" than the coward cop?
I SAID your logic, not you personally. There's a difference.
What did you mean by the reference since you were not implying teachers would also act in a cowardly way?
The logic was that one cop was a coward- how can we trust any cops to protect us? So the questions isn't "Do you expect teachers to do any better than the coward cop?" The question is "Do you expect teachers to do any better than police in the country?"
I asked a question based on Dawg80's logic. Again I asked a question. I never said anything about you questioning me personally. Why say this?
Teachers are not the answer because a few cops didn't fulfill their potential. Cops are trained and certified to act in these situations (or I hope so at least) teachers are not. There's no reason to think teachers, without any training, would do better than trained police officers.
Do they armed teachers teach with the guns strapped on themselves? Just curious about the logistics.
I would think so.
Or, maybe they can have teachers on "duty." Teachers have a planning period....no class, but that is for preparing for class, grading tests, etc.. still, makes sense for a teacher who doesn't have a class to have a gun strapped on and able to react to an emergency without direct concern over students in their charge.
You know, as I type this....this is really sad we are even having such a discussion. I was a teacher, and I really cared about my students, my kids. I was a coach too and loved my players! ALL teachers hold a special place in their hearts for kids.
We had several bomb scares and had to evacuate the building. It was NO drill, it was the real thing. We teachers never thought about our own safety....not in the heat of the moment....all we cared about was getting all those kids out and to safety. I was also present, and within 100 yards, of pipe bomb that went off at a school. No one was hurt, but it was a scary thing. Teachers are selfless.
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