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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Executions will just further erode civility. And they would not really act as a deterrent. In the mass shooting scenario, most of these people don’t actually plan on coming out alive to face justice.

    So you are saying the massive difference in the US and the rest of the developed world is that we have less personal responsibility here?
    More freedoms, actually.

    I am not ready to give mine up, either.

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    There was a psychologist and long-time school counselor, and another psychologist, PhD in human behavior, on Tucker's show yesterday. They said what I posted weeks ago, after the recent Florida shooting, this is about "power." These shooters, and others who commit violence, are sick, really sick, stupid-azz losers who reach a breaking point and want to inflict pain on those they perceive as causing their loser situation. For a few fleeting moments, it is they who holds the "power." They are in control (in their twisted minds) and want to see the looks of terror on the faces of those who have "kept them down."

    Just about all, if not ALL, such incidents involves a shooter (attacker) in his most recent setting. These school shootings are always current/former students of that school. Why? If the shooter is merely deranged, and, of course, it's the guns' fault anyway, then why not shoot up somewhere else? Because....IT IS NOT ABOUT THE GUNS, AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE NRA HAS DRIVEN THE SHOOTER NUTSO. The guns are merely tools, and absent them, the attacker would find some other means to inflict pain and destruction.

    Remember when postal workers went crazy and were shooting up post offices? That's where the expression "going postal" came from. And we've seen other examples of "disgruntled former employees" going back to where they worked, to kill their former boss and anyone else who happened to get in the way. These school shooters share that motivation to extract revenge on those who "have wronged them." Unfortunately, there is no easy solution to "eliminating" this threat. As the Texas shooter demonstrates, there's not always obvious signs someone is about to snap. The Florida shooter could have/should have been stopped before he acted. But that is just one such example. Most of the school shooters are like that kid in Texas. It's a "power grab."

    And! I think this rash of such incidents partially extends from how our society has cheapened human life. Abortion is called a "woman's right." Well, to some deranged teenager, if a woman has a right to murder a human being who is causing her "issues," so too can they eliminate humans responsible for their sadness. It goes beyond the abortion issue, however. Violent video games have played a role too. Movies and such where the "hero" indiscriminately kills anyone who gets in their way. Taking God out of our society. God is not allowed in school, you know. He's not welcome there. So, Satan has taken up residence in schools.

    In reality, while all of these are contributing factors, there is no ONE reason and therefore no easy solution. We live in an open and free society and that comes with having to deal with idiots and azzholes too.

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    There was a psychologist and long-time school counselor, and another psychologist, PhD in human behavior, on Tucker's show yesterday. They said what I posted weeks ago, after the recent Florida shooting, this is about "power." These shooters, and others who commit violence, are sick, really sick, stupid-azz losers who reach a breaking point and want to inflict pain on those they perceive as causing their loser situation. For a few fleeting moments, it is they who holds the "power." They are in control (in their twisted minds) and want to see the looks of terror on the faces of those who have "kept them down."

    Just about all, if not ALL, such incidents involves a shooter (attacker) in his most recent setting. These school shootings are always current/former students of that school. Why? If the shooter is merely deranged, and, of course, it's the guns' fault anyway, then why not shoot up somewhere else? Because....IT IS NOT ABOUT THE GUNS, AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE NRA HAS DRIVEN THE SHOOTER NUTSO. The guns are merely tools, and absent them, the attacker would find some other means to inflict pain and destruction.

    Remember when postal workers went crazy and were shooting up post offices? That's where the expression "going postal" came from. And we've seen other examples of "disgruntled former employees" going back to where they worked, to kill their former boss and anyone else who happened to get in the way. These school shooters share that motivation to extract revenge on those who "have wronged them." Unfortunately, there is no easy solution to "eliminating" this threat. As the Texas shooter demonstrates, there's not always obvious signs someone is about to snap. The Florida shooter could have/should have been stopped before he acted. But that is just one such example. Most of the school shooters are like that kid in Texas. It's a "power grab."

    And! I think this rash of such incidents partially extends from how our society has cheapened human life. Abortion is called a "woman's right." Well, to some deranged teenager, if a woman has a right to murder a human being who is causing her "issues," so too can they eliminate humans responsible for their sadness. It goes beyond the abortion issue, however. Violent video games have played a role too. Movies and such where the "hero" indiscriminately kills anyone who gets in their way. Taking God out of our society. God is not allowed in school, you know. He's not welcome there. So, Satan has taken up residence in schools.

    In reality, while all of these are contributing factors, there is no ONE reason and therefore no easy solution. We live in an open and free society and that comes with having to deal with idiots and azzholes too.
    So now there should be an expression of "Going Liberal" . When the Democrat left and liberals go violent.

    http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showthread.php?137626-The-Violent-Left

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    There was a psychologist and long-time school counselor, and another psychologist, PhD in human behavior, on Tucker's show yesterday. They said what I posted weeks ago, after the recent Florida shooting, this is about "power." These shooters, and others who commit violence, are sick, really sick, stupid-azz losers who reach a breaking point and want to inflict pain on those they perceive as causing their loser situation. For a few fleeting moments, it is they who holds the "power." They are in control (in their twisted minds) and want to see the looks of terror on the faces of those who have "kept them down."

    Just about all, if not ALL, such incidents involves a shooter (attacker) in his most recent setting. These school shootings are always current/former students of that school. Why? If the shooter is merely deranged, and, of course, it's the guns' fault anyway, then why not shoot up somewhere else? Because....IT IS NOT ABOUT THE GUNS, AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE NRA HAS DRIVEN THE SHOOTER NUTSO. The guns are merely tools, and absent them, the attacker would find some other means to inflict pain and destruction.

    Remember when postal workers went crazy and were shooting up post offices? That's where the expression "going postal" came from. And we've seen other examples of "disgruntled former employees" going back to where they worked, to kill their former boss and anyone else who happened to get in the way. These school shooters share that motivation to extract revenge on those who "have wronged them." Unfortunately, there is no easy solution to "eliminating" this threat. As the Texas shooter demonstrates, there's not always obvious signs someone is about to snap. The Florida shooter could have/should have been stopped before he acted. But that is just one such example. Most of the school shooters are like that kid in Texas. It's a "power grab."

    And! I think this rash of such incidents partially extends from how our society has cheapened human life. Abortion is called a "woman's right." Well, to some deranged teenager, if a woman has a right to murder a human being who is causing her "issues," so too can they eliminate humans responsible for their sadness. It goes beyond the abortion issue, however. Violent video games have played a role too. Movies and such where the "hero" indiscriminately kills anyone who gets in their way. Taking God out of our society. God is not allowed in school, you know. He's not welcome there. So, Satan has taken up residence in schools.

    In reality, while all of these are contributing factors, there is no ONE reason and therefore no easy solution. We live in an open and free society and that comes with having to deal with idiots and azzholes too.
    So you think liberal godless Europe values human life more? If that is the cause of this violence in the US, should we assume the cheapening of human life hasn’t happened in more liberal states of the world?

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    So you think liberal godless Europe values human life more? If that is the cause of this violence in the US, should we assume the cheapening of human life hasn’t happened in more liberal states of the world?
    Well, let's see here.

    The USA is #1 in terms of gun ownership in the world, but we have a murder rate of less than 5 per 100,000. Mexico is # 40 in terms of gun ownership (15 per 100 residents where the USA owns 101 per 100 residents), yet Mexico has a murder rate that is over 3 times that of the United States.

    Why are there so many murders in Mexico? Is this where you'll blame it on religion?

    Let me put forth a bit of liberal logic and say that if more people had guns in Mexico (like they do here in the USA), there would be fewer murders because people would be able to protect themselves. They need MORE GUNS!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estima...ita_by_country

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

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    Let me put forth a bit of liberal logic and say that if more people had guns in Mexico (like they do here in the USA), there would be fewer murders because people would be able to protect themselves. They need MORE GUNS!

    obummer/Holden were working on it!!!

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    Well, let's see here.

    The USA is #1 in terms of gun ownership in the world, but we have a murder rate of less than 5 per 100,000. Mexico is # 40 in terms of gun ownership (15 per 100 residents where the USA owns 101 per 100 residents), yet Mexico has a murder rate that is over 3 times that of the United States.

    Why are there so many murders in Mexico? Is this where you'll blame it on religion?

    Let me put forth a bit of liberal logic and say that if more people had guns in Mexico (like they do here in the USA), there would be fewer murders because people would be able to protect themselves. They need MORE GUNS!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estima...ita_by_country

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate
    Congratulations on picking the ONLY country that doesn’t fall on the trend line in Mexico.

    http://mark.reid.name/blog/gun-death...ownership.html

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Congratulations on picking the ONLY country that doesn’t fall on the trend line in Mexico.

    http://mark.reid.name/blog/gun-death...ownership.html
    Guns are a red herring. I am concerned about murder in whatever form it takes. That could be from a nut in an automobile, a guy with a truckload of fertilizer, a jerk with a vial full of acid, a knife (or pointed stick for that matter), or poison gas in a subway system.

    I would EXPECT the country with the most guns to have the most gun related crime.

    There must be a lot of MS13 animals in Mexico to cause that deviation from the trend line.

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Not to be flippant, but the highest gun-related deaths rate in the world are in Iraq and Syria. Yeah, there's a war raging there. But, not far behind are Pakistan, Sudan, and several other mooslim countries.

    Then there are Venezuela and Jamaica. Their rates dwarf the US's. Actually, Honduras has the highest rate in the world. And just about EVERY South American country, and several in Central America, like Panama, have much higher rates than the US. Throw in some African countries, in addition to Sudan, and the US is lagging behind!

    Now, the all so precious Europe. While no European nation has as high a rate as the US, several come close, namely France, Finland, and Switzerland. At one time Northern Ireland had a higher rate, during all that unrest back in the 60's and 70's.

    Keep in mind that the homicide portion of these rates vary greatly too. In the US, about 33% of gun-related deaths are homicides. In other countries, including those with lower overall rates than the US, there is a higher % of gun-related murders. Not that that excuses murderers.

    But, none of these stats really matter anyway. Fact is, the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and have never, and will never, use a gun in a violent act. And, the 2nd Amendment protects our rights to own guns (shall not be infringed). For the looney gun-control crowd, so sorry, so sad. You are NOT getting our guns. Not now, not ever. Get over it.

    Actually, we should ban high school students! There's the common denominator in these school shootings!

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    D80, just ban high school dropouts and disgruntled losers.

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Hum..

    Dem's new gun-grab plan

    2nd Amendment defender: 'You can see where they want to go'


    http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/confiscate-and-criminalize-dems-new-gun-grab-plan/

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    Repost link please

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Hum..

    Dem's new gun-grab plan

    2nd Amendment defender: 'You can see where they want to go'


    http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/confiscate-and-criminalize-dems-new-gun-grab-plan/
    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Repost link please
    http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/confiscat...gun-grab-plan/

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    Re: 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    A law like this would bring about civil war in this country. I hate to say it, but I personally feel like it is inevitable unless the US can somehow peacefully break up into separate nations. Socialists want to live under socialism, and capitalist want to live as free men in a Republic. It's a common scenario. Many nations have broken apart over the differences in these two philosophies. Make no mistake, tens of millions of freedom loving patriots in this nation would never comply with a law such as the one this pussy lawmaker from California proposes. I say let him lead the charge in confiscating the weapons he wants to deny American citizens the freedom to own. He can start right there in California. He'd never get the gun owners in California to comply, and he can forget about those of us in the south and the midwest. People like him are playing with fire, and they have no clue of how far freedom loving patriots would go to protect and preserve our 2nd amendment rights.

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