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    Thumbs Up Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Thank you, thank you!! It's a business so treat it as such.

    Now if only the school systems and Universities around the country would do the same.

    Trump makes it easier to fire poor-performing federal government workers


    President Trump on Friday signed three executive orders overhauling the federal bureaucracy, including an order that makes it easier to fire federal workers for misconduct.
    “To empower our civil servants to best help others, the government must always operate more efficiently and more securely,” the president said in a statement.
    The White House said Trump, who famously promised to “drain the swamp” in Washington while running for president, signed the three orders Friday afternoon.

    The first executive order aims to strengthen accountability for federal employees and makes it easier to fire poor performers in the federal government.

    The second executive order creates a federal labor relations working group to analyze union contracts with the federal government. It also makes it harder to pay federal unions to appeal firings and to lobby Congress.

    The third executive order, focused on federal unions, is aimed at reducing waste and expenditures and requires federal employees to spend at least 75 percent of their time working on the job they were hired to do, as opposed to working on federal union work. It will also allow the federal government to start charging unions for office space in federal buildings.


    According to The Wall Street Journal,
    Andrew Bremberg, who leads Trump’s domestic policy council, said the orders "will make it easier for agencies to remove poor-performing employees and ensure that taxpayer dollars are more efficiently used.”


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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Why would he want to remove one of the key safeguards against the creation of a deep state?

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Why would he want to remove one of the key safeguards against the creation of a deep state?
    If you think federal unions aren't at the root of the deep state (SEIU), you don't know how the deep state works. And based on your post history, you don't know.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoDawg View Post
    If you think federal unions aren't at the root of the deep state (SEIU), you don't know how the deep state works. And based on your post history, you don't know.
    There is no deep state.

    One of the reasons there is no deep state is that our agencies are mostly apolitical. Everyone has preferences and biases, but in the general sense, no one acts as an agent for a political party because historically (1) you didn’t normally have to worry about getting fired because you wouldn’t act as the “fixer” of the current President, and (2) for the rank and file, which this particular article deals with, you were largely protected in your job from change in political winds.

    Both of those are good things if you don’t want a deep state. But our Doublespeak-in-Chief is attacking the independence of our agencies on both fronts. And the reason is that he doesn’t really care about a deep state in the general sense - he just wants a state that he can fully militarize for his own agenda. Independence is his enemy. Loyalty is his desire.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Weaponize - not militarize.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    The DOJ/FBI were anything BUT apolitical under obummer. Oh, throw in the IRS too with their illegal attack on conservative organizations.

    One can readily see how your political viewpoint influences your opinion on this topic. When a conservative thinks on this, we say, great! if SOMEONE IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB THEY CAN BE TERMINATED AND REPLACED (with hopefully someone who will do the job). A libtard screams about PROTECTING the federal employee, without regard to their job performance, because if they are part of the federal government that automatically makes them one of the good guys, because government is GOOD!!!Period. Just the mere existence of a BIG government is GOOD! Doesn't matter if it is effective/efficient or not.

    So President Trump, as a businessman, a conservative, views the working of government from a businessman's viewpoint. Agencies need to be effective - actually accomplish what they are charged to do, and efficient - limit the waste. If 2 people can handle the duties in some department, you have TWO employees, not 5!

    Libtards don't/can't understand this simple concept. Which is why they are libtards in the first place.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Why aren’t you considering the fact that this makes it easier to fire people for political reasons under the pretense that they are not performing?

    I can see the benefits of firing people for poor performance but it is baffling to me that some of you can only see one side of issues.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    So if Hillary made this decision, would the left be okay with it?

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    First, let's be perfectly clear on this: the federal bureaucracy is bloated, top heavy, ineffective/inefficient. AND! it is already politicized. Already Congressmen/Senators use the bloated bureaucracy as a tool to do political favors for their supporters/donors. The nieces/nephews/sons/daughters/son-in-laws, etc of big donors are given some cushy, do-nothing federal (and state too, this is also true at the state level) position. HELLO!!! Wake up!

    This policy IF (big "if" since both sides of the aisle will fight Trump on this) implemented will greatly decrease those do-nothing positions. I won't get bogged down in the details of the ramifications. Actually, I don't have to. Anyone with an ounce of business sense readily sees the benefits.

    So, okay, back to the goofy libtard's concerns...

    There are measures in place to protect a federal (and state too) employee who is doing their job and has done nothing to justify termination. One of those is the union....which is another entity that is politicized and needs cleaning up...but that is suppose to protect government employees from wrongful dismissal. If it doesn't then your beef is with the union, not the chief executive who is concerned with an effective/efficient organization.

    Bottom line: no reason to be concerned with the federal bureaucracy becoming politicized when it already is RUNAWAY, OUT OF CONTROL POLITICIZED NOW!!!

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/federal-worker-pay
    Sep 20, 2017 - In 2016 federal civilian workers had an average wage of $88,809,
    according the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).5 This doesn't include benefits.
    By comparison,
    the average wage for the nation’s 114 million private-sector workers was $59,458.

    The federal government employs 2.1 million civilian workers in hundreds of agencies at offices across the nation.
    1 The federal workforce imposes a substantial burden on America’s taxpayers. In 2017 wages and benefits for executive branch civilian workers cost $276 billion.2

    Trends in Federal and Private Pay

    In 2016 federal civilian workers had an average wage of $88,809, according the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).5 By comparison,
    the average wage for the nation’s 114 million private-sector workers was $59,458.


    https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/federal-worker-pay

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    First, let's be perfectly clear on this: the federal bureaucracy is bloated, top heavy, ineffective/inefficient. AND! it is already politicized. Already Congressmen/Senators use the bloated bureaucracy as a tool to do political favors for their supporters/donors. The nieces/nephews/sons/daughters/son-in-laws, etc of big donors are given some cushy, do-nothing federal (and state too, this is also true at the state level) position. HELLO!!! Wake up!

    This policy IF (big "if" since both sides of the aisle will fight Trump on this) implemented will greatly decrease those do-nothing positions. I won't get bogged down in the details of the ramifications. Actually, I don't have to. Anyone with an ounce of business sense readily sees the benefits.

    So, okay, back to the goofy libtard's concerns...

    There are measures in place to protect a federal (and state too) employee who is doing their job and has done nothing to justify termination. One of those is the union....which is another entity that is politicized and needs cleaning up...but that is suppose to protect government employees from wrongful dismissal. If it doesn't then your beef is with the union, not the chief executive who is concerned with an effective/efficient organization.

    Bottom line: no reason to be concerned with the federal bureaucracy becoming politicized when it already is RUNAWAY, OUT OF CONTROL POLITICIZED NOW!!!
    You're only right about two things:

    1) it is top heavy. There is a shortage of GS-9's and lower.
    2) it does make business sense to fire moochers.

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/federal-worker-pay
    Sep 20, 2017 - In 2016 federal civilian workers had an average wage of $88,809,
    according the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).5 This doesn't include benefits.
    By comparison,
    the average wage for the nation’s 114 million private-sector workers was $59,458.

    The federal government employs 2.1 million civilian workers in hundreds of agencies at offices across the nation.
    1 The federal workforce imposes a substantial burden on America’s taxpayers. In 2017 wages and benefits for executive branch civilian workers cost $276 billion.2

    Trends in Federal and Private Pay

    In 2016 federal civilian workers had an average wage of $88,809, according the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).5 By comparison,
    the average wage for the nation’s 114 million private-sector workers was $59,458.


    https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/federal-worker-pay
    Horribly misleading bullshit.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Jubru, the good libtard, defending The Swamp! Nothing surprising about that though. Kind of like goosey and his libtard rantings.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    With all those corporate tax cuts you would think the private workers would be feeling it really trickle down.

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    With all those corporate tax cuts you would think the private workers would be feeling it really trickle down.
    Things have improved in the private sector, thanks to our great prez. Thanks for your concern.

    As for the topic of this thread, I would think every American, be he/she a libtard, or a good American, would want the government to be effective and efficient. For instance, if you're concerned about the environment, wouldn't you want the EPA to be effective? Or, is it okay to have a bunch of clueless goofballs running the EPA and the environment to get dirty because of it? I suppose you would just sigh heavily and lament, oh well! can't fire anyone at the EPA, that would be too political, so sad for the environment.....

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    Re: Firing poor-performing federal government workers just made easier by Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    With all those corporate tax cuts you would think the private workers would be feeling it really trickle down.
    No.....Those numbers were from 2016 taxes during the Obama's disaster.

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