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    I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    I've always been one of those that felt that the SEC especially and the Big Five schools in general have a built in RPI advantage especially in baseball and basketball due to thier litany of home games over the season especially in OOC play...

    I know some who felt that UK was slighted when they were not selected for the tournament due to their sub 30 rpi - even though it was a BIASED rpi due to the SEC schedule

    You get these schools out of their comfort zone (i.e. home parks/gyms) and they are JUST LIKE everyone else

    Maybe they should change their slogan from IT JUST MEANS MORE to WE CAN JUST BUY MORE....
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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't honestly looking at the situation. it's true for basketball, but even more so when you're talking baseball. I've watched a lot of NCAA baseball this spring and you're right, get them out of their comfort zone and they're just like everyone else.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Except us!!! We couldn’t win at home to save our skin when it counted.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Except us!!! We couldn’t win at home to save our skin when it counted.
    Smh…

    I think we overachieved to some extent and were about where we are - our arms were shot by the tourney and our offensive woes were quite evident heading into the tourney - we were two arms short and two bats short and had been all year long

    Caught a break with FAU taking the ties - we were really a 3rd or 4th place team in the regular season

    I'll take 21-9 in conference every year and let the chips fall where they may

    But that's not what this thread is about
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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

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    I've always been one of those that felt that the SEC especially and the Big Five schools in general have a built in RPI advantage especially in baseball and basketball due to thier litany of home games over the season especially in OOC play...

    I know some who felt that UK was slighted when they were not selected for the tournament due to their sub 30 rpi - even though it was a BIASED rpi due to the SEC schedule

    You get these schools out of their comfort zone (i.e. home parks/gyms) and they are JUST LIKE everyone else

    Maybe they should change their slogan from IT JUST MEANS MORE to WE CAN JUST BUY MORE....
    There is a plethora of good baseball players who fall through the cracks every year from the big schools. When you add those kids with the juco kids coming up, any college can put together a good team from year to year. That is what makes a program... I do think Kentucky belonged this year. I am the biggest fan for the small school, no point of the RPI if they don't get in. I know they were sub .500 in conference, but they do play in the toughest conference. No, I am not a SEC homer, pull against all of them in almost all situations.

    I like the regional, super regional, final 8 in Omaha set up. I'm sure it can be tweaked to be better. LSUseless fans will grip about anything. Their team over performed this year. All-American 3b and ace pitcher hurt for year, they did great considering. It takes some luck and a lucky bounce here and there for a team to go a long ways. I just want to make it to a regional 2-3 times every 5 years. That should be doable a Tech. If we just recruit along I-20 from East Texas to Jackson, MS for the core group of kids, we should be great. Throw in 1-2 jucos a year, a kid or 2 from Baton Rouge area, Lake Charles/Lafayette, and New Orelans, we should be great. I guess if it were that easy, I should be coach.
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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    But you missed the point -

    The SEC is no tougher than the Big 10, Big Xii, ACC or Pac 12

    It's a biased rpi

    And MID WEEK games matter as much as weekend games - cause come tourney time - those midweek pitchers are the difference between winning and losing in most instances



    The tourney usually backs this up

    And NO Kentucky still didn't belong
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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden View Post
    But you missed the point -

    The SEC is no tougher than the Big 10, Big Xii, ACC or Pac 12

    It's a biased rpi

    And MID WEEK games matter as much as weekend games - cause come tourney time - those midweek pitchers are the difference between winning and losing in most instances



    The tourney usually backs this up

    And NO Kentucky still didn't belong
    Just to somewhat confirm what you are saying and how the SEC teams have much less success away from their comfort zone, LSU played 11 games this season against other teams form Louisiana. They won 7 and loss 4. All of their wins were at home and they loss all 4 of their games away from Alex Box!

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden View Post
    But you missed the point -

    The SEC is no tougher than the Big 10, Big Xii, ACC or Pac 12

    It's a biased rpi

    And MID WEEK games matter as much as weekend games - cause come tourney time - those midweek pitchers are the difference between winning and losing in most instances



    The tourney usually backs this up

    And NO Kentucky still didn't belong
    An SEC school has won 5 of the last 9 College World Series. An SEC school has been College World Series runners-up 5 of the last 7 years. The SEC was represented in the World Series finals in 9 of the last 10 seasons, including twice where both teams were from the SEC. This year 6 of the 16 super regional teams are from the SEC. Not only is the SEC "tougher/better" than any other conference in baseball, it is not even close. Furthermore, no team with a top 30 RPI should ever be left out of the tournament regardless of which conference they are from. I could imagine a scenario where a team from outside the Power 5 with a top 30 RPI being left out. That would be garbage as well.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom View Post
    An SEC school has won 5 of the last 9 College World Series. An SEC school has been College World Series runners-up 5 of the last 7 years. The SEC was represented in the World Series finals in 9 of the last 10 seasons, including twice where both teams were from the SEC. This year 6 of the 16 super regional teams are from the SEC. Not only is the SEC "tougher/better" than any other conference in baseball, it is not even close.
    Yes, that all could be evidence that the $ec is better.

    OOOOOORRRR … it may just be evidence that the system is rigged.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    Yes, that all could be evidence that the $ec is better.
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    OOOOOORRRR … it may just be evidence that the system is rigged.
    How is the system rigged in favor of the SEC over the PAC 12, Big 12, ACC and Big 10, not too mention every other conference? Keep in mind this is a 64 team tournament. Seems nearly impossible to rig it for one conference to have so much success. Not to mention 6 different SEC teams have either won or finished as runners-up in the World Series during the last 10 years. I agree that the Power 5 conferences have advantages in all sports with their nine figure budgets, 100,000 seat stadiums, national television contracts, etc. But to not acknowledge the SEC is by far the premier conference in college baseball is illogical. We may not like it, but it is the truth, sorry to say.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom View Post
    How is the system rigged in favor of the SEC over the PAC 12, Big 12, ACC and Big 10, not too mention every other conference? Keep in mind this is a 64 team tournament. Seems nearly impossible to rig it for one conference to have so much success. Not to mention 6 different SEC teams have either won or finished as runners-up in the World Series during the last 10 years. I agree that the Power 5 conferences have advantages in all sports with their nine figure budgets, 100,000 seat stadiums, national television contracts, etc. But to not acknowledge the SEC is by far the premier conference in college baseball is illogical. We may not like it, but it is the truth, sorry to say.
    The best predictor of wins is not conference affiliation, but number of home games. (This is also true of football & basketball, by the way.)

    The obscene budgets you cite dont advantage those teams / conferences so much because they attract the best athletes. But rather because they can buy more home games. As has been explained elsewhere in this thread, the vaunted $ec suddenly looks pretty ordinary (on about the same level as Pac12, Big12, or even CUSA) when they have to play OOC road games. That is to say … When you control for number of home games, their win percentage falls pretty squarely in the middle of the pack. $ec dominance is therefore better explained by the ability of its members to buy more home games than by (objectively) better teams.

    The system is flawed because it counts all games as (roughly) equal. It doesn't properly account for the relative difficulty of winning on the road, or the (again, relative) ease of winning at home. An more equitable system could, for example, diminish or 'plateau' the value of home wins greater than the average. Or could give substantially greater weight to road wins.

    And that doesn't even begin to address the "homecooking" angle. The favoritism shown by $ec officials is as shameless as it is legendary, and has been well documented on this board and elsewhere. There are (practically) no consequences for the bad actors, and they're not even discreet about it. A pool of NCAA officials, not affiliated with any conference, could help. Also meaningful and public penalties for dirty refs.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    In the past LSU baseball fans have shown a measure of class....devoid from their football fans, in general. I watched some of their game(s) vs. Oregon State. They got hammered....out-classed! LSU baseball fans usually say as much and just congratulate the other team. I don't read any other school's fan forums, so maybe there is a meltdown going on. But it is unusual.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    In the past LSU baseball fans have shown a measure of class....devoid from their football fans, in general. I watched some of their game(s) vs. Oregon State. They got hammered....out-classed! LSU baseball fans usually say as much and just congratulate the other team. I don't read any other school's fan forums, so maybe there is a meltdown going on. But it is unusual.
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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    Biased or not, at the end of today, the SEC could have eight teams headed to the Super Regionals. Four of those teams would have made it winning on the on the road. If this happens, I think criticism of the SEC and the selection committee will fall on deaf ears.

    Of course, they could wind up with only three in the supers, and in that case ... pile on.

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    Re: I Find the Excuses for LSU and the SEC Very Entertaining This Morning

    I dislike all of the SEC, Big 10, Big Xii, ACC and Pac 12. The entire Power 5 concept and economic grip sucks, is incredibly biased and potentially illegal in many aspects.
    I would love to see the Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, BYU, La Tech and heck the Service Academies etc's.. of the world joint action sue the threat of or true monopoly that exists.

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