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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Yikes. That should give us another W.

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    There is an epedemic in basketball. I still think an uptempo identity would buffer us from this.

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by skilldawg View Post
    There is an epedemic in basketball. I still think an uptempo identity would buffer us from this.
    I don't know man. I'm thinking coaches have to start learning how to rebuild a team almost every season.
    Have you considered those Dogs?

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by boxerdog View Post
    I don't know man. I'm thinking coaches have to start learning how to rebuild a team almost every season.
    Looks like that is where college basketball is headed. Yuk!

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Does all of that happen if the coach never left?

    Why isnt that considered part of the problem? Coaches leave for better opportunities AFTER convincing kids/families to come play with them...but we think the problem with college sports is players leaving for better opportunities? Im confused.

    Coach can be on the bench right away at his new gig...but the kids who have to leave MTSU because coach left them...have to sit out a year. Yeah...its the kids who are the problem.

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg-n-Pony View Post
    Does all of that happen if the coach never left?

    Why isnt that considered part of the problem? Coaches leave for better opportunities AFTER convincing kids/families to come play with them...but we think the problem with college sports is players leaving for better opportunities? Im confused.

    Coach can be on the bench right away at his new gig...but the kids who have to leave MTSU because coach left them...have to sit out a year. Yeah...its the kids who are the problem.
    Good point. Seems like everybody's always looking to upgrade.
    Have you considered those Dogs?

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by boxerdog View Post
    Good point. Seems like everybody's always looking to upgrade.
    Exactly. Except the coach is looking to upgrade from a situation that HE created. Coach Kermit lamenting the fact that this year will be rebuilding year at MTSU. Well...whose fault is that??

    He wanted to upgrade while his stock was high because he didnt believe repeated success was possible because of HIS recruiting. But if a kid tries to change his scenery for whatever reason...we assail the kid's character. Its bass ackwards to me.

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    I'd say most athletes are looking to upgrade from the situation they helped create as well. Nevertheless, coaches usually have tangible guarantees that incentivize their leaving whereas athletes do so out of prospective accomplishment. Many end up not upgrading afterall.
    Have you considered those Dogs?

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg-n-Pony View Post
    Exactly. Except the coach is looking to upgrade from a situation that HE created. Coach Kermit lamenting the fact that this year will be rebuilding year at MTSU. Well...whose fault is that??

    He wanted to upgrade while his stock was high because he didnt believe repeated success was possible because of HIS recruiting. But if a kid tries to change his scenery for whatever reason...we assail the kid's character. Its bass ackwards to me.
    The biggest problem is that the players need to make their decisions based on something more than simply the current coaching staff. Everybody knows coaches are TEMPORARY at almost any school. With very few exceptions (Duke, UNC, etc...) coaches come and go. They always do. It's a by-product of the business. So no player should be surprised when a coach leaves their chosen school for professional reasons.

    Almost all of us here on BB&B chose to attend LA Tech for one reason or another. But most of us didn't choose to transfer to another school every time a key teacher or professor left LA Tech's staff for another school. I know it's a little different for us, but it's still silly for some of these kids to be so much more in love with a coach than the institution.

    Fact is, very, very few --if any-- of these kids will end up in the NBA. And if you are good enough to be drafted into the NBA, you're also good enough to play for the new coach just like you did for the old one.

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Over the past 15-20 years these young men have been coached not only to learn the game, but to believe they are bigger than the game. The problem is with the system preceding college. Not high school or college.

    I'd say Stapleton was a prime example of what that system does to a player.
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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    The biggest problem is that the players need to make their decisions based on something more than simply the current coaching staff. Everybody knows coaches are TEMPORARY at almost any school. With very few exceptions (Duke, UNC, etc...) coaches come and go. They always do. It's a by-product of the business. So no player should be surprised when a coach leaves their chosen school for professional reasons.
    True. I dont want to take all the responsibility from the player. I just think the rules should be similar for the player and coach. And kids pour most of their childhood working to get the skills necessary to get scholarship offers. Of course they want to play and not sit the bench. The reason many of them leave when the coach leaves is because the new coach coming in is charged with winning and winning now. He can be loyal to kids he had no part in recruiting, or put his faith in his own guys that he brings in. Which means the current guys will be ass out. Can you blame the coach for doing that or the kid for leaving?And its not about the NBA...there are hundreds of players who end up overseas or the G-league...and are happy as hell just to still be playing.

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Over the past 15-20 years these young men have been coached not only to learn the game, but to believe they are bigger than the game. The problem is with the system preceding college. Not high school or college.
    Thats part of the problem. The other part is the dishonesty in recruiting. If coaches were honest in their living room conversations, expectations would be better set and disappointment more easily avoided. Instead...they tell the kid all the things they THINK they want to hear just to get them on campus...even though they have little to no intention of fulfilling those promises.Removing the xfer penalty will make coaches be more accountable for their words. Much like ending prohibition helped end the mob...I think that will go a long way in helping to ease the xfer craze. Because now if a coach told a kid, "we're pretty stacked at your position for the next year or so...but if you work hard theres a good chance you earn meaningful minutes as a soph/jr"....now they HAVE to sell the institution/program more. And the kid will have realistic expectations the moment he steps on campus and wont be disappointed when he doesnt get 25mpg as a frosh like coach told him he would.

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Over the past 15-20 years these young men have been coached not only to learn the game, but to believe they are bigger than the game. The problem is with the system preceding college. Not high school or college.

    I'd say Stapleton was a prime example of what that system does to a player.
    So true. Entitlement the likes of the Clintons and "Deep State".

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    Re: Tough Times in Murfreesuck ??

    I thought that if a coach left, players could transfer without penalty.

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