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    Re: Strzok hearing

    That last point is what I am thinking too. As I watched, and admittedly cringed a little, Trump basically defend Putin and the Russians on the hacking thingy, I thought...okay, what is he doing? What is his angle? Why? Then I immediately thought as a businessman does...Trump said something very different in their private meeting, and part of their agreement was to make public statements to poo-pooh all the negative PR about Russia.

    I know this for sure, if anyone thinks Trump gave Putin this pass for free, you are sadly mistaken! I guarantee he got some concession, some agreement, that will either benefit the USA, or Trump, or both in some other arena. That's not being cynical. It's just recognition of what successful business people do.

    Oh, and you libtards out there, save your holier-than-thou BS for your goofy fellow libtard acquaintances who are 101% clueless about the real world. You think Howard Schultz or Bill Gates represent what a "good" businessman should look like....too funny. They know the value, the $$$$$ value, of "causal marketing." And it's all about the bottom line.

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    That last point is what I am thinking too. As I watched, and admittedly cringed a little, Trump basically defend Putin and the Russians on the hacking thingy, I thought...okay, what is he doing? What is his angle? Why? Then I immediately thought as a businessman does...Trump said something very different in their private meeting, and part of their agreement was to make public statements to poo-pooh all the negative PR about Russia.

    I know this for sure, if anyone thinks Trump gave Putin this pass for free, you are sadly mistaken! I guarantee he got some concession, some agreement, that will either benefit the USA, or Trump, or both in some other arena. That's not being cynical. It's just recognition of what successful business people do.

    Oh, and you libtards out there, save your holier-than-thou BS for your goofy fellow libtard acquaintances who are 101% clueless about the real world. You think Howard Schultz or Bill Gates represent what a "good" businessman should look like....too funny. They know the value, the $$$$$ value, of "causal marketing." And it's all about the bottom line.
    You “know this for sure”...lol

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    The other thing you are forgetting is how this chumping plays out in Russia to strengthen Putin and how it elevates Putin’s power to the rest of the world. Under Trump, the US has been pissing away it’s hegemony.

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The other thing you are forgetting is how this chumping plays out in Russia to strengthen Putin and how it elevates Putin’s power to the rest of the world. Under Trump, the US has been pissing away it’s hegemony.
    That would be true if the sanctions were removed. This was the argument when Obama was in charge, his inaction during Russia's actions served to strengthen Russia and Putin. I will agree that the press conference elevated Putin probably in Russia as well as Europe, but it probably changes perception more than reality. That can actually be used to put some pressure on NATO to uphold their commitments. The sanctions are far more important for actual power than a boneheaded press conference. We will see what else develops.
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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    You “know this for sure”...lol
    Okay, I agree with you. Your take is actually a helluva lot more complimentary and conciliatory toward Trump than I was being.

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Now Trump has "revised and clarified" his comment. So, forget all that has been posted on that topic here. Moot now.

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Now Trump has "revised and clarified" his comment. So, forget all that has been posted on that topic here. Moot now.
    Yes. On to the next manufactured crisis.

    Soon we'll go full circle and push granny off the cliff again!

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    That would be true if the sanctions were removed. This was the argument when Obama was in charge, his inaction during Russia's actions served to strengthen Russia and Putin. I will agree that the press conference elevated Putin probably in Russia as well as Europe, but it probably changes perception more than reality. That can actually be used to put some pressure on NATO to uphold their commitments. The sanctions are far more important for actual power than a boneheaded press conference. We will see what else develops.
    Obama actually laid out sanctions against Russia (both for invasion of Ukraine and for election meddling). The Trump administration has delayed the implementation of the sanctions for the cyber attack. Here are the Obama EO’s:

    Executive Order 13660, signed on March 6, 2014, authorizes sanctions on individuals and entities responsible for violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, or for stealing the assets of the Ukrainian people. These sanctions put in place restrictions on the travel of certain individuals and officials and showed our continued efforts to impose a cost on Russia and those responsible for the situation in Crimea.

    Executive Order 13661, issued on March 17, 2014, under the national emergency with respect to Ukraine that find that the actions and policies of the Russian government with respect to Ukraine -– including through the deployment of Russian military forces in the Crimea region of Ukraine –- undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misappropriation of its assets.

    A new Executive Order, "Blocking Property of Additional Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," issued on March 20, 2014, expanded the scope of the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13660 of March 6, 2014, and expanded by Executive Order 13661 of March 16, 2014, finding that the actions and policies of the Government of the Russian Federation, including its purported annexation of Crimea and its use of force in Ukraine, continue to undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misappropriation of its assets, and thereby constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.

    Executive Order 13685 was issued December 19, 2014. Utilizing these Executive Orders, the United States has steadily increased the diplomatic and financial costs of Russia’s aggressive actions towards Ukraine. We have designated a number of Russian and Ukrainian entities, including 14 defense companies and individuals in Putin’s inner circle, as well as imposed targeted sanctions limiting certain financing to six of Russia’s largest banks and four energy companies. We have also suspended credit finance that encourages exports to Russia and financing for economic development projects in Russia, and are now prohibiting the provision, exportation, or re-exportation of goods, services (not including financial services), or technology in support of exploration or production for deepwater, Arctic offshore, or shale projects that have the potential to produce oil in the Russian Federation, or in maritime area claimed by the Russian Federation and extending from its territory, and that involve five major Russian energy companies.

    These actions, in close coordination with our EU and international partners, send a strong message to the Russian government that there are consequences for their actions that threaten the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. The United States, together with international partners, will continue to stand by the Ukrainian government until Russia abides by its international obligations. The United States is prepared to take additional steps to impose further political and economic costs. A secure Ukraine, integrated with Europe and enjoying good relations with all its neighbors, is in the interests of the United States, Europe, and Russia.

    Executive Order 13694 was issued on April 1, 2015 and authorized the imposition of sanctions on individuals and entities determined to be responsible for or complicit in malicious cyber-enabled activities that result in enumerated harms that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States. The authority has been amended to also allow for the imposition of sanctions on individuals and entities determined to be responsible for tampering, altering, or causing the misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of interfering with or undermining election processes or institutions in E.O. 13757.

    Executive Order 13757 issued on December 28, 2016, amends EO 13694. E.O. 13757 focuses on specific harms caused by significant malicious cyber-enabled activities, and directs the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to impose sanctions on those persons he determines to be responsible for or complicit in activities leading to such harms. The U.S. Department of State and other U.S. government agencies work to identify individuals and entities whose conduct meets the criteria set forth in E.O. 13694, as amended, and designate them for sanction under the delegated authority of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). Persons designated under this authority are added to OFACS’s list of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons (SDN List).

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Obama and the people that ran his DOJ are criminals that belong in jail for their treason.

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Now Trump has "revised and clarified" his comment. So, forget all that has been posted on that topic here. Moot now.
    You're absolutely right. He provided total clarity.

    "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there. But there was no collusion."

    I mean, if that's not as clear as anything I've ever read in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theprofessor View Post
    You're absolutely right. He provided total clarity.

    "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there. But there was no collusion."

    I mean, if that's not as clear as anything I've ever read in my life.
    Perfectly clear and perfectly correct. You'd have to be a moron's moron not to understand it.

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Perfectly clear and perfectly correct. You'd have to be a moron's moron not to understand it.
    He read the first part of the planned statement and then adlibbed the rest that was designed to deflect from the statement.

    The IC’s conclusion was NOT that “it could be other people also.” Thus, it doesn’t sound like he actually agrees with their conclusion.

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    Re: Strzok hearing

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Perfectly clear and perfectly correct. You'd have to be a moron's moron not to understand it.
    See, and here comes the proof....

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