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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Why are we forced to be okay with it just because the percentages are lower among immigrants? That may not be what you are saying or thinking, but you have a poor way of conveying it. Try giving those stats to the folks whose family member would still be alive if that illegal had never crossed their path.

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Send him to visit Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi...
    Let him out and then give him the phone number and address to their daughters, son's and grandkid's homes.

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    And for all those stories where someone blames illegal immigration for the victimization of someone by an illegal, there are also stories where Americans are thankful that a person in the country illegally came to the rescue:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal...uardian-angel/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ticle-1.951239


    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...e18631896.html


    But focusing on any specific case misses the larger point that people that are here illegally are less likely to commit a violent crime than American citizens. Thus, you are safer having them as your next door neighbor than Joe 6-pack,
    You my friend can take your numbers and stick them elsewhere. It matters to this girl and her friends, boyfriend and her family.




    Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect is illegal immigrant from Mexico,
    lived in Iowa for years, officials reveal








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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    You my friend can take your numbers and stick them elsewhere. It matters to this girl and her friends, boyfriend and her family.




    Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect is illegal immigrant from Mexico,
    lived in Iowa for years, officials reveal







    And consider the cases where people had family member’s lives saved by an illegal immigrant.

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Consider the lives saved by legal citizens....

    See, we can do that too.

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Consider the lives saved by legal citizens....

    See, we can do that too.
    Consider the lives taken by legal citizens.

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Exactly my point. no excuse for either one and one could be curbed with stricter border enforcement. The other may be curbed with stiffer penalties. But you seem to be okay with one.

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Exactly my point. no excuse for either one and one could be curbed with stricter border enforcement. The other may be curbed with stiffer penalties. But you seem to be okay with one.
    Not okay with either. Murderers should be punished. Curbing illegal immigration to reduce murder is stupid. Illegal immigrants also do good, and they are generally less violent than Americans. Focusing on a murderer’s immigration status is kind of like when society tried to draw the connection between “blackness” and violence. It is racist.

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    What if he killed your wife or child? Deported or tried in US courts?
    Absolutely deported assuming he couldn't re-enter the US. I would consider deportation for anyone convicted of a violent crime to be honest.
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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by detltu View Post
    Absolutely deported assuming he couldn't re-enter the US. I would consider deportation for anyone convicted of a violent crime to be honest.
    You wouldn’t want him to face justice?

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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    You wouldn’t want him to face justice?
    Removing him from our society is more important than having to pay to support him for the rest of his life to me. Again. This is in the hypothetical world where we could ensure he does not re-enter the US. I'm not sure going through a trial and having him sitting in prison does me any good if I have lost my family. If he is out of the country without the opportunity to re-enter he is effectively dead to me unless I happen to travel to the country where he is living.

    Justice would be the death penalty for something like that and it is a long drawn out process with no guarantees for the US. It also robs the person of any chance at redemption.
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    Re: Isis Assassin Arrested in Sanctuary State

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Not okay with either. Murderers should be punished. Curbing illegal immigration to reduce murder is stupid. Illegal immigrants also do good, and they are generally less violent than Americans. Focusing on a murderer’s immigration status is kind of like when society tried to draw the connection between “blackness” and violence. It is racist.
    It's not stupid. It may not be terribly effective, but it is not stupid. I agree that illegal immigrants also do some good. They don't do that good because they are illegal immigrants though. They would be capable of the same good deeds if they were legal immigrants.

    Immigration status is not a race so it cannot be racist to focus on their immigration status.

    The only real question is if the person who committed the crime was unable to come to the country illegally would they have been admitted to the country through legal immigration. If they don't have a violent history or prior criminal background, there is likely nothing we could have done to prevent it. But if they did have a violent history or prior criminal background, it's hard to argue that they have any right to be in this country.
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