No evidence except that it's the MO.Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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No evidence except that it's the MO.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Yeah, well they may have liked to have done something like this, but the facts that have been reported suggest that they didn’t coordinate this. This would have died on the vine if not for the person that leaked it, and whomever leaked it could not have predicted that Ford, who wanted to be confidential, would then insist that she wanted to tell her story.
I don't disagree on that point. I think it has a lot more to do with their ideologies than what news they watch. I don't watch fox news, but I would certainly think that people who do are more likely to be on Kavanaugh's side.
I think blaming it on fox news is similar to saying "republicans would love to fill the bench with people who don't respect women". It's a fine talking point, but doesn't reflect reality.
Republicans are clearly the party of Trump now and his tone on women is crystal clear. Did you miss how he openly mocked an alleged victim of sexual assault? He is engaging in A culture war against the #metoo movement, the black lives matter movement, and rallying people around the idea that white men are the victims. He is playing into the fears of white men who are seeing their power erode and are fearful of the winds of change.
Remember that even Trump said that Ford was very credible until the Murdoch machine renewed its discredit campaign.
Well, I've already done my happy dance on this battle. WE WON!
There is a vast leftwing conspiracy to play politics to undermine American values, traditions, rule of law, precedents in governmental procedures, etc... There is NO DOUBT it would not matter who Trump nominated for a vacant SC seat, the left would contrive anything to thwart the will of the American people.
"this would have died on the vine if not for the person who leaked it"
That is all you need to know about how low the left will go. Let's accept Ford's word she did NOT want this to go public. But, after looking at her information, Feinstein et al KNEW there is nothing to it. So! they had to get it into the "court of public opinion" knowing full well the lib media would eat it up like sewer rats, morons like goosey would be fooled, and most importantly, in the evil minds of Feinstein et al they would throw Ford out there just to try to win some political points.
At worst Ford, and a few co-conspirators, manufactured all of this, as she is a lefty fruit cake. At best, Ford was used and abused by the left for their own political gain.
Well, guess what!
Ford's life has been turned upside down! She claims she has all these death threats and she doesn't stay in the same place for more than 3 days now. GOOD! I hope all that is true (though I doubt it). , This farce has motivated the right to get out and vote, in what would have otherwise been, for certain, a losing midterms. It might still be a losing midterms, but at least now it is in doubt, and we have a fighting chance.
Meanwhile, Kavanaugh is on the Supreme Court, yeah baby!!!
Victory! Victory!
is our cry!
V-I-C-T-O-R-Y
Trump was wrong about one thing...
I NEVER GET TIRED OF WINNING!!!
You say it yourself:
It would have died on the vine, but it didn't
A person leaked it right as the hearings were coming to a close- To your point this certainly could have been an individual acting alone. It's also reasonable to think that the person felt that having Kavanaugh confirmed while the accusation was hidden was unacceptable. Diane Feinstein could have certainly let it play out outside of the hearings if she wanted to. Instead she chose to announce the allegations in very vague terms.
The democrats stated their intention was to delay the confirmation. It could be a coincidence that the timing of the leaks just happened to help delay the hearings further.
I still maintain that Fords story was not made up for purely political purposes. Unfortunately because it was light on details and even lighter on corroboration, we can't determine how much of it was accurate.
Liar! Told you before take your piss-ant lies somewhere else.
First, Trump said "her testimony was compelling." Not credible. Second point, for those of you devoid of a brain >>goosey<< he said her "testimony" not "she."
Secondly, the "Murdoch machine" had nothing to do with the good guys prevailing. It was FINALLY a few stout-hearted Republicans, namely Grassley and Graham, who stood up to the evil thug bullies on the left that brought this victory.
And, thirdly, you and your lefty wackos LOST goosey. YOU LOST! LOL at YOU!
Feinstein didn’t say boo until Ford came forward on her own accord.
It's a Non Sequitur- Trump mocked a woman so he hates women. I don't agree with the way he said it, but there was truth to what he said.
There are genuine problems with the #metoo movement and the black lives matter movement. That's not to say they are bad movements, but people like yourself take them too far. Even the evil republicans don't think women should be subjected to sexual harassment and assault. Even the evil republicans don't think black people should be gunned down at the hands of police.
Women should be able to come forward without being harassed. We don't do a good job of that and Trumps comments don't help. Saying we should believe all women doesn't help things. There clearly has to be some standard of evidence before we determine guilt. We shouldn't dismiss claims, but we also shouldn't jump to conclusions without checking facts.
Black lives matter is the same. We should all be able to rally around this cause and yet we are torn apart because we are told to reach a conclusion even in cases where the facts don't line up with the narrative.
We have two sides who try to argue that because it's true in one case it's true in all cases, while the other side tries to argue that because it's false in one case it's false in all cases. We seem to choose which argument applies based on which argument aligns with our political ideology.
FWIW, he didn't "mock" her. He repeated what she said. For an example of mocking listen to Rush Limbaugh. He does a great impression of her.
And her hand was forced.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Y'all have a timeline on this? I thought there was at least a day or two between Feinstien announcing that she had the letter and Ford's name becoming public? I realize that does not mean Feinstien leaked it, but it is common for politicians to have things leaked.
Edit: Yeah, 9/13 to 9/16
The two are not mutually exclusive. And the Trumpsters laughed and cheered when he said what she said.
2012: While at couples therapy with her husband, Ford told the Post she described the alleged incident in detail for the first time. Her husband, Russell Ford, recalled to the Post that she talked during their 2012 sessions about the incident, mentioning Kavanaugh's last name and that he was a federal judge who might be on the Supreme Court eventually. Ford provided portions of the therapist's notes to the paper, which described an incident without mentioning Kavanaugh by name. The Post said the notes referred to four boys involved, which Ford said was an error made by her therapist. Ford told the Post four boys at the party, but only two were in the room.
2013: Notes from an individual therapy session said Ford talked about a "rape attempt" from when she was a teenager, according to the Post.
July 2018: Ford reached out to the Post's tip line as Kavanaugh's name appeared on the shortlist to replace Justice Anthony Kennedy. "Around the same time," the Post said, Ford contacted her member of Congress, California Democratic Rep. Anna Eshoo.
July 9, 2018: President Donald Trump nominated Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court.
Late July: Ford opted to contact California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein via a letter through Eshoo's office. In the letter, Ford requests Feinstein keep the matter confidential.
Early August: On the advice of her attorney Debra Katz, Ford took a polygraph test. The Post said Katz provided the paper with the results of the test, which was administered by a former FBI agent. The results concluded Ford was truthful when she said a statement summarizing her allegations was accurate, according to the newspaper.
Late August: As Kavanaugh's nomination proceeded, Ford said she decided she did not want to go public with her accusations given the expectation that he would be confirmed. She told the Post that her thinking was, "Why suffer through the annihilation if it's not going to matter?"
September 4-7: The Senate Judiciary Committee holds contentious hearings on Kavanaugh in which the nominee was lauded by Republicans and faced with regular interruptions from protesters. No mention is made of the allegations that would surface days later in the media.
September 12: The Intercept reported that Feinstein is in possession of a letter detailing an accusation against Kavanaugh and that she would not provide the letter to other members of the committee.
September 13: Feinstein said she received information on Kavanaugh and had "referred the matter to federal investigative authorities." CNN reported that Feinstein had forwarded a letter to the FBI relating to alleged misconduct by Kavanaugh while he was in high school and that the letter Feinstein sent had all the names redacted except for Kavanaugh's.
September 14: The New Yorker reported on the substance of the allegations without naming Ford. CNN reported on details of the allegations. Mark Judge, who was reported that day to have been Kavanaugh's friend in the room, denied the allegations in an interview with the conservative Weekly Standard. The White House issued a statement from Kavanaugh denying the allegations.
September 16: The Washington Post published an article in which Ford comes forward and details her allegations. The White House reiterated Kavanaugh's statement denying the incident occurred.
September 17: Katz said Ford would be willing to speak publicly with lawmakers as key senators voiced interest in delaying a vote on Kavanaugh's nomination. The White House stood by Kavanaugh, who was seen entering the building and who issued a new statement again denying the allegations and saying he would be willing to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee in an effort to clear his name. Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins became one of the key undecided senators to say she welcomed testimony from both Kavanaugh and Ford. Iowa GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley, the committee chairman, said, "Anyone who comes forward as Dr. Ford has deserves to be heard, so I will continue working on a way to hear her out in an appropriate, precedented and respectful manner."
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/17/pol....google.com%2F
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