It’s time. What will it cost?

[eagle2180]

Let's look at some other coaches in the same situation Skip is in now. Just a few, off the top of my head, all within the last 2 or 3 years.

Todd Graham (Arizona State) 6 seasons, 5 bowl games. 2 Top 25 finishes. 1 Pac 12 division title. 46-32 record. FIRED.
Jim Mora (UCLA) 6 seasons, 4 bowl games. 2 Top 25 finishes. 1 Pac 12 division title. 46-30 record. FIRED.
Jim McElwain (Florida) 2+ seasons, 2 bowl games. 2 Top 25 finishes. 2 SEC division titles. 22-12 record. FIRED
Les Miles (LSU) 11+ seasons, 11 bowl games. 1 national championship, 1 national championship loss. 9 Top 25 finishes. 5 Top 10 finishes. 114-34 record. FIRED.
Mark Richt (Georgia) 15 seasons, 15 bowl games. 12 Top 25 finishes. 8 Top 10 finishes. 2 SEC titles. 4 other SEC East titles. 145-51 record. FIRED.

Every one of these guys achieved way more than Skip has at Tech. All of them had a higher winning percentage than Holtz has at Tech. They all coached multiple ranked teams. 2 of them won multiple conference championships. Yet they all got fired. Why? Because it was believed that none of them could take the team to the next level, even though we have national and conference championship winners in that group. Once you feel your guy cannot take you to the next level you have to think about making a change, it happens all the time. If we are not champsions this year it is time too make a change.

The financial supporters of the program wanted and expected more...we are a divided group with a large group of people comfortable with where we are....

[techman05]

Let's look at some other coaches in the same situation Skip is in now. Just a few, off the top of my head, all within the last 2 or 3 years.

Todd Graham (Arizona State) 6 seasons, 5 bowl games. 2 Top 25 finishes. 1 Pac 12 division title. 46-32 record. FIRED.
Jim Mora (UCLA) 6 seasons, 4 bowl games. 2 Top 25 finishes. 1 Pac 12 division title. 46-30 record. FIRED.
Jim McElwain (Florida) 2+ seasons, 2 bowl games. 2 Top 25 finishes. 2 SEC division titles. 22-12 record. FIRED
Les Miles (LSU) 11+ seasons, 11 bowl games. 1 national championship, 1 national championship loss. 9 Top 25 finishes. 5 Top 10 finishes. 114-34 record. FIRED.
Mark Richt (Georgia) 15 seasons, 15 bowl games. 12 Top 25 finishes. 8 Top 10 finishes. 2 SEC titles. 4 other SEC East titles. 145-51 record. FIRED.

Every one of these guys achieved way more than Skip has at Tech. All of them had a higher winning percentage than Holtz has at Tech. They all coached multiple ranked teams. 2 of them won multiple conference championships. Yet they all got fired. Why? Because it was believed that none of them could take the team to the next level, even though we have national and conference championship winners in that group. Once you feel your guy cannot take you to the next level you have to think about making a change, it happens all the time. If we are not champsions this year it is time too make a change.

Are there G5 coaches in a similar spot?

[PawDawg]

There is no reason to fire Holtz either though. The outside world would say 4 winning seasons with 4 bowl wins in a row and with 2 conference championship game appearances is getting it done. Would a future coaching candidate take this job for this kind of money if 8 wins, bowl wins, and conference championship game appearances ever other year gets you fired?

I don't expect him to be fired. I expect him to be held to a higher standard by his bosses though. Losing these home games in the fashion he loses them in is inexcusable. He is underachieving in a huge way. No way a 5th year HC in C-USA should ever lose 6 games.

[eagle2180]

[QUOTE=PawDawg;1712160]I don't expect him to be fired. I expect him to be held to a higher standard by his bosses though. Losing these home games in the fashion he loses them in is inexcusable. He is underachieving in a huge way. No way a 5th year HC in C-USA should ever lose 6 games.[/QUOT

[Bulldog Tom]

Are there G5 coaches in a similar spot?

Pat Hill comes to mind. You remember his record at Fresno, huh? I'm sure there are others I will think about it and get back with you.

[eagle2180]

So he is underachieving but it is not egregious enough to be fired....Holtz is who he is....he will seldom overachieve. I think his history proves it....is that enough?

[Bulldog Tom]

The financial supporters of the program wanted and expected more...we are a divided group with a large group of people comfortable with where we are....

Very mediocre in a terrible conference. Making lower, level bowl games, even though the majority of teams make bowl games now. Gotcha.

[PawDawg]

So he is underachieving but it is not egregious enough to be fired....Holtz is who he is....he will seldom overachieve. I think his history proves it....is that enough?

I've said dozens of times he will not (should not) be fired. If our dumb ass AD knew how to structure a contract...

[eagle2180]

I've said dozens of times he will not (should not) be fired. If our dumb ass AD knew how to structure a contract...

So Holtz and staff performance would be better if .....?

[Wade_Antley]

He is not comparable to Bicknell.

Ole Jack beat #18 Alabama, OK St, Michigan St, #17 Fresno St, #23 Fresno St, even squeaked one out against WAC darling Bosie St, and took #20 Auburn to OT. What is Skips signature win?

Did you think Dooley was better?

Yes.

Dykes?

Yes. Dykes got a mediocre QB drafted. He could develop talent. And didn't he pull his starting QB for a backup? I can't remember how that Isham thing went down.

... win at home and allow special teams to play the game.

All we do is make fair catches.

Tech has won 2 conference championships in 21 years of FBS football (2001 and 2011). It seems that 1 every 10 years is the norm.

Depends on how far back you want to move the goal posts. Before 2001 it was 1984. That's 2 in 33 years. But did you know, Tech has 25 total conference titles? That ranks us 12th out of 130 FBS schools. Aillet and Lambright won them like nobody's business.

I would rather build a legitimate program and continue to make the necessary strides to grow our football program and university into a great mid-major program.

Don't know what that even is. What we should be doing is running the table and be competing with UCF and Boise (to a lesser degree) to be the first non P5 school to crack the playoff.

[Bulldog Tom]

So he is underachieving but it is not egregious enough to be fired....Holtz is who he is....he will seldom overachieve. I think his history proves it....is that enough?

All the coaches listed above performed way better than Holtz and they got fired because those schools wanted to win more. In many industries people who underachieve in their jobs ge fired.

[eagle2180]

All the coaches listed above performed way better than Holtz and they got fired because those schools wanted to win more. In many industries people who underachieve in their jobs ge fired.

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Yes, they do, when the investors demand more...the executives make changes or get fired....

[BhadDawg]

Skip never swings for the Fence......NEVER

[eagle2180]

JRP, Bicknell,Dooley, Dykes would have won more than one CUSA championship in 6 years....

[eagle2180]

We lost to LSU, will most likely lose to MS. State... what happens if we win those games? I know it’s crazy talk....but we used to play 2-3 money games and play in the WAC and MWC....We dreamed of CUSA...we got it, just a watered down version.