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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Oh my, here we go again. Still trying to prove Holtz is a good coach. Here are the 17 seasons before Holtz. Under the current bowl system, we would have went bowling at least 11 times, with 14 being a possibility. All these seasons we played a far superior schedule to what Holtz gets each of his seasons. During these 17 seasons we won conference championships and we won games against Power 5 schools. The reason Dooley and Dykes “bailed asap” was because of the job they did here at Tech. The reason Holtz is still here is because of the job he has done here at Tech and his previous history. If Holtz had coached in the 1990’s and produced the same results he would be considered a good coach, but there is nothing in his coaching career that suggests that would be the case.

    1996 6-5 Crowton Bowl
    1997 9-2 Crowton Bowl
    1998 6-6 Crowton Bowl
    1999 8-3 Bicknell Bowl
    2000 3-9 Bicknell
    2001 7-5 Bicknell Bowl
    2002 4-8 Bicknell Bowl
    2003 5-7 Bicknell Possible Bowl
    2004 6-6 Bicknell Bowl
    2005 7-4 Bicknell Bowl
    2006 3-10 Bicknell
    2007 5-7 Dooley Possible Bowl
    2008 8-5 Dooley Bowl
    2009 4-8 Dooley
    2010 5-7 Dykes Possible Bowl
    2011 8-5 Dykes Bowl
    2012 9-3 Dykes Bowl

    In the other thread debating Holtz’ skills or lack thereof part of the debate centered around big wins. Many feel Holtz has no big wins. Let’s look at the big wins (Power 5 or raked teams) during this period. Look at that 10 wins against Power 5 schools.

    09.21.96 at Mississippi State 38-23 Crowton
    10.04.97 California 41-34 Crowton
    11.01.97 at Alabama 26-20 Crowton
    09.18.99 at Alabama 29-28 Bicknell
    11.03.01 Boise State 48-42 Bicknell
    08.31.02 Oklahoma State 39-36 Bicknell
    09.13.03 at Michigan State 20-19 Bicknell
    11.02.04 Fresno State #17 28-21 Bicknell
    12.02.05 at Fresno State #22 40-28 Bicknell
    08.30.08 Mississippi State 22-14 Dooley
    11.12.11 at Ole Miss 27-7 Dykes
    09.22.12 at Illinois 52-24 Dykes
    10.06.12 at Virginia 44-38 Dykes

    There is no intelligent argument to make that Crowton, Bicknell, Dooley or Dykes wouldn’t have matched or exceeded Skips record if they were the coach during Skips years. Skip gets to coach in a conference where about a third of the teams were in the FCS or didn’t have a football program a decade ago. Skip produces mediocre results in a low-level Group of 5 conference. Of course, he loves Ruston it is the locale of his retirement job. He will never produce results that would attract a Power 5 job and with the scheduling of TMAC should never have a losing season therefore, he will always have at least a New Orleans Bowl bid. By the way, CBS Sports predicts a New Orleans Bowl against ULM this season. That’s sounds like fun, huh? Maybe we can bring back BVDV to turn down this bid.

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2180 View Post
    Yep, I bet they have zero input! Tim is the QB coach....how is that working out?
    With the remarkable play of J'Mar I am sure Tim will be the Broyles Award for assistant coach of the year.

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Can we rank this thread?

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2180 View Post
    Yep, I bet they have zero input! Tim is the QB coach....how is that working out?
    I think Tim could work with price or jack. J’mar is Skip’s guy. He can’t sling it like Tim wants.

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    You gotta think Tim was a true point guard QB. Quick reads and accurate throws. J’Mar has neither of those traits. His big plays come from running around and slinging it up for an athlete to try and make a play. We have success when we spread it out and hit quick routes and move fast. I think that’s moving too fast for J’Mar.

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixonfor6 View Post
    You gotta think Tim was a true point guard QB. Quick reads and accurate throws. JíMar has neither of those traits. His big plays come from running around and slinging it up for an athlete to try and make a play. We have success when we spread it out and hit quick routes and move fast. I think thatís moving too fast for JíMar.
    How did Jímar end up at Tech? Who found the diamond?

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    When Rattay was first hired here, he was the WR coach. I'm not sure what year he was reassigned to QB coach.

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2180 View Post
    How did J’mar end up at Tech? Who found the diamond?
    Goff?
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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by Wade_Antley View Post
    1990 had 19 bowl games.
    2001 had 21 bowl games.
    2008 had 34 bowl games.
    2018 has 40 bowl games.

    I'm proud that we've won 4 in a row but they mean less as every year goes by. Players are now sitting out bowls.

    I don't hate Holtz and don't necessarily want to see him fired. But what I do want to see is someone else calling plays on offense.
    OK with that-- I am not nitpicking , just think players who sit out expect first/second round pick . gave you green dot,,

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2180 View Post
    How did J’mar end up at Tech? Who found the diamond?
    half dozen SEC offers --dad NFL player several years and most of us recognize his talent but question why he is so inconsistent But he was serious stud coming out of HS -- probably had something to do with Baseball

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2180 View Post
    Who?
    Personally, I want to see Rattay. I started Tech in 97 and for me, that's the offense I want to see recreated.

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogsince65 View Post
    half dozen SEC offers --dad NFL player several years and most of us recognize his talent but question why he is so inconsistent But he was serious stud coming out of HS -- probably had something to do with Baseball
    We beat out 6 SEC teams to get him? Wow!

    He has not played baseball in 2 years. Never really played when he was on the roster, but the results of focusing of football for two years don't seem to be paying off.
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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogsince65 View Post
    half dozen SEC offers --dad NFL player several years and most of us recognize his talent but question why he is so inconsistent But he was serious stud coming out of HS -- probably had something to do with Baseball
    Are you speaking of football offers for J'Mar Smith or Tua Tagovailoa? Because J'Mar was very lightly recruited out of high school. Only three offers in total, one from the SEC.

    https://247sports.com/Recruitment/JM...ruitInterests/

    http://www.espn.com/college-sports/f...858/jmar-smith

    https://n.rivals.com/content/prospec...hool-interests

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    We beat out 6 SEC teams to get him? Wow!

    He has not played baseball in 2 years. Never really played when he was on the roster, but the results of focusing of football for two years don't seem to be paying off.
    J'Mar was lightly recruited out of high school. Only three offers in total.

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    Re: Thank You Skip--since1990 4 out of 8 bowls were with Holtz and about to be 5 out

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2180 View Post
    How did J’mar end up at Tech? Who found the diamond?
    We can blame, er thank Rattay for J'Mar. So Rattay found him, recruited him and coached him. You know I have seen many folks on this very board saying they would like Rattay to be head coach. He was a great player here, but his coaching has been shall we say suspect.


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