Things worked out ok for a former Bowling Green coach named Urban something.Originally Posted by techman05
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Things worked out ok for a former Bowling Green coach named Urban something.
Yep. Dooley was not a good football coach and he got from Tennessee in 3 years what he would've had to put in 20 years to get at Tech. It's a no brainer for the coaches.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Student body is 30,808 (24,687 undergrads).
Is he the exception that proves the rule though?
that's a fair point
He is, but guys that reach his level of success, are, by definition, the exception. That's why it always makes sense for these guys to take the pay-day at the big school. If they are the exception, they'll make it. If they're the rule, at least they got paid. The days of program building seem to be over. As the gap between the haves and have nots increases, it'll only make more sense for these coaches to take the first reasonable pay-day offer they get and not look back.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Exactly. Look at Miles. He won a National Championship, played in another one, was the all time winner at LSU....and still got fired. Bower at Southern Miss, Richt at Georgia, Fuller at Tennessee. I could go on and on, but the point is that the days of Bill Snyder are over. Donors want to see a turnover on their investments, and they want to see it fast. So if a coach gets a chance at a 2 million a year payout with a large buyout, they are insane not to take it, even if it’s a dead end job. They can always bounce back like Dooley did and make a good living.
From the schools perspective, it makes sense to establish a path of G5 HC to P5 Coordinator to P5 HC.
I don稚 necessarily disagree with that, especially for coaches that you don稚 have a long head coaching history on. Being a good position coach is one thing. Being a good head coach is quite another. And, just because a guy can win at one place doesn稚 mean he値l win at another, or vice versa. Multiple examples for both of those scenarios.
Have you ever heard of Jim Harbaugh? His first head coaching job was at University of San Diego, a FCS school. He left USD for Stanford, a Pac-12 school. His best team at Stanford won the Orange Bowl and finished 4th in the nation in 2010. From there he went to a school in the Big 10 called Michigan. He is in his fourth season there, two top 12 finishes. They are currently number five in both polls. I think he has did okay, huh?
Another guy you haven't heard of is Tom Herman. He was coach at Houston, now at Texas. In his second season has them ranked 15th. Not a bad turnaround in his second season.
Oh snap, even I almost forgot Dino Babers. Dino tire it up at Bowling Green, ironically they now suck since he is gone. He went to Syracuse, you guessed it. Top 25 this season. Syracuse in the Top 25! Unreal!
Another guy who I would like to introduce you to is a guy named Gus Malzahn. You would hate this guy he coached in high school for almost two decades. First head job in college you ask? Arkansas State. He is now at Auburn where he has won an SEC title and played for a national championship.
Justin Fuente hasn't done too bad in his first two years at Virginia Tech, two top 25 finishes. This is after a few years at Memphis.
Some of the posters on this website think 4 bowl games in a row is fantastic. That is what Dave Doeren has appcomplished at NC State after getting a few years experience at Northern Illinois.
The coach of our opponent this weekend used to be the head coach at Fordham, they are even lower that a G5 school. Of course they are a top 25 team also.
It makes plenty of sense to hire coaches from smaller schools to bigger schools. Hiring any coach is always a gamble. You have to do a lot of research and find a guy who can recriut to your school, hire quality assistants and is flexible enough to change his systems to fit the players he can get at your school. Then cross your fingers.
Brian Kelly from Central Michigan to ND.
Lots of examples to counter my thought. Good deal.
The vice versa part doesn't normally happen. If you don't win at one place, you probably won't get a chance at another place. There are exceptions to this as well. See Precious - -Tech to Tennessee. What the hell was Tennessee thinking?
It痴 a crap shoot. I think you have to look for a coach that fits your schools style. Spurrier was a legend at Florida, but that didn稚 translate very well to South Carolina. He couldn稚 recruit the same types of athletes to South Carolina like he could at Florida, or at least the same number of them. Obviously he was a great coach, just out of place.
Les Miles when he was hired to LSU was 28-21 at OSU. I don’t know that he ever beat a rival or won any noteable games to speak of. Saban was nothing to write home about when he was hired by LSU. Both of those guys fit perfectly there. IMO they did nothing at their former jobs to warrant landing that job, but it worked out. Holtz the same way. He was run off from SF, but has done nicely since coming here. He would be the perfect coach if he’d hire an OC and let them run the offense.
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