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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    I hope. All we can do is go on what he said after the Southern game. JMO, but I would not have thrown him to the wolves at Miss St.. I do think he should have put Cox in. Do we even know if Elliot has been traveling?
    I don't get the idea he's trying to protect Elliot. I mean, if anything, he's trying to protect J'mar. It would have been far less pressure to perform in the 4th quarter of the game last weekend in terms of making a difference. Giving him crumbs against Rice or Western Kentucky won't matter and might not even be appropriate. It's weird to me. What did he have to lose?

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech77 View Post
    Hatfield was a RB in that game. Herm was the QB that lit us up in 2nd half. Hatfield did not play QB in the game.
    Thanks 77! Man, how time sure dulls the memory!

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    If you see another QB at all, it will be in garbage time. Given some of Holtz statements, I donít expect it. The real question is this, can our offense generate enough points to have a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter? With the way weíve played at home and how weak our offense has been this year, thatís in doubt. I believe we lose one of the last 3 games, maybe two.

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    . I do think he should have put Cox in. ?
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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    tch...tch

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

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    Someone has more than one? Actually I heard of a baby boy born at Parkland Hospital in Dallas that had two of them. They named one of them Hose A and the other Hose B.

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by boxerdog View Post
    I don't get the idea he's trying to protect Elliot. I mean, if anything, he's trying to protect J'mar. It would have been far less pressure to perform in the 4th quarter of the game last weekend in terms of making a difference. Giving him crumbs against Rice or Western Kentucky won't matter and might not even be appropriate. It's weird to me. What did he have to lose?
    It's probably not ideal in most cases for a young QB to be thrown into their first real playing time against a top caliber defense who already smells blood. I could see an argument that putting him out there and getting him killed might just mess up his confidence. I'm not sure I totally buy that, or necessarily think that's what was happening here. But that's a potential argument for protecting Elliot by not playing him against MSU.

    Obviously, you'd have the other side of this which would be the argument for a baptism by fire, but it's theoretically possible that this was the reasoning.

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by inudesu View Post
    It's probably not ideal in most cases for a young QB to be thrown into their first real playing time against a top caliber defense who already smells blood. I could see an argument that putting him out there and getting him killed might just mess up his confidence. I'm not sure I totally buy that, or necessarily think that's what was happening here. But that's a potential argument for protecting Elliot by not playing him against MSU.

    Obviously, you'd have the other side of this which would be the argument for a baptism by fire, but it's theoretically possible that this was the reasoning.
    I respectfully cry BALDERDASH on this one (I'll give you a little time to Google that one). I subscribe to the idea that it is the ideal situation to see how he will react in combat. MSU had pulled lots of their defensive starters, so that kinda balanced out the situation. I say the other side you mentioned....baptism by fire...would help him more than frighten him. If it does scare him, he needs to reconsider playing in D1.

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amos Moses View Post
    I respectfully cry BALDERDASH on this one (I'll give you a little time to Google that one). I subscribe to the idea that it is the ideal situation to see how he will react in combat. MSU had pulled lots of their defensive starters, so that kinda balanced out the situation. I say the other side you mentioned....baptism by fire...would help him more than frighten him. If it does scare him, he needs to reconsider playing in D1.
    I agree, if MSU has made substitutions essentially calling off the dogs, then we should do the same. We should beat Rice and WKU with or without a sub at QB. J’Mar still had no success against second stringers. If our backup had success against them, that would really bean indictment against our coach(es).

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amos Moses View Post
    I respectfully cry BALDERDASH on this one (I'll give you a little time to Google that one). I subscribe to the idea that it is the ideal situation to see how he will react in combat. MSU had pulled lots of their defensive starters, so that kinda balanced out the situation. I say the other side you mentioned....baptism by fire...would help him more than frighten him. If it does scare him, he needs to reconsider playing in D1.
    I'm not arguing for or against doing this, I'm just pointing out that it could have been a philosophical decision (based on protecting Elliot as suggested by PawDawg above).

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by boxerdog View Post
    I considered that reasoning. However, it seems like he would only keep Elliot from getting some time against Miss State unless he is considering making a change in starting QBs. The circumstances of the Miss State were appropriate to play the backup. Odds are at least 2 of our last 3 games will not be as appropriate. In fact, I suppose we will be more effective on offense for the next 3 games. Do you think he intends to play Elliot in the next 4 games regardless of how effective we are on offense?
    I think a QB change is a possibility whether Skip wants one or not. If he plays Elliot in the next few weeks and the O runs more efficiently, He'll have to start him. Like you, I don't buy that Skip is just too bull headed to try a guy he knows is better because he called J'Mar a rockstar 2 years ago. I think you could certainly see him in the next few weeks if the O sputters.

    Now, the only way he loses his shirt is if UAB tanks in the next 3 weeks and we play in the CG...not very likely.
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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    I think a QB change is a possibility whether Skip wants one or not. If he plays Elliot in the next few weeks and the O runs more efficiently, He'll have to start him. Like you, I don't buy that Skip is just too bull headed to try a guy he knows is better because he called J'Mar a rockstar 2 years ago. I think you could certainly see him in the next few weeks if the O sputters.

    Now, the only way he loses his shirt is if UAB tanks in the next 3 weeks and we play in the CG...not very likely.
    More like UAB is a division of tanks, rolling over the opposition. Like an SS Panzer Division of King Tigers during the battles in Hungary, literally crushing the Russians and their eastern European allies under their tracks. Anyway...you get the too graphic picture.

    UAB losing, ain't happening.

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Just think about what COULD HAVE BEEN.... Once the game was out of hand, if Skip had done the RIGHT THING and let another QB take some snaps, and just answer the damn question after the game with "We'll get both QB's some snaps in practice this week and play the QB that gives us the best chance to win against Rice" Coach answer bullshit, this board would have been happier, the TEAM would be happier, J'MAR could actually feel the heat and step his game up.

    Unfortunately.... we have this. The Smith's have to have naked beach photo's with a mistress or something...

    I can't load up 4 girls again to come watch this shit tomorrow. MAYBE wife would let me go by myself, but we'll see.

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Pissed me off even more to think that we lost to UAB at home this week. This tells me how bad of a coach that Holtz is.

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    Re: Westin Elliott - Redshirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by SicemDawgz View Post
    If you see another QB at all, it will be in garbage time. Given some of Holtz statements, I donít expect it. The real question is this, can our offense generate enough points to have a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter? With the way weíve played at home and how weak our offense has been this year, thatís in doubt. I believe we lose one of the last 3 games, maybe two.
    Given the opponent, yes the lead should be big enough.

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