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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by raam View Post
    Just a quick question, what are the consequences for NLULM if this doesn't pass?
    And how much would this new property tax generate per year?

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckK3 View Post
    This. Not my circus, not my monkey, but I can't help but try to think about Tech proposing something like this for Lincoln Parish. I would be opposed to it for Lincoln, too. Property taxes are a crappy way to fund anything. Folks who don't own any taxable property get the pleasure of voting an increase on others, which really sucks when you think about it. Then, as most "property" is owned by businesses and corporations, it hits them the hardest, but trickles down to everyone in higher prices for goods and services. Property taxes actually have the OPPOSITE effect of "economic development".
    Amen! This is the same reason I still believe one should own property and speak and write English in order to vote. And yes I'm serious!

    Touchy feely, tax loving and socialist liberals destroy cities, states and countries.

    Ok I'm done.

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    The only failure of you logic about owning property is that renters indirectly pay property taxes. If the tax rate goes up so does their rent (eventually) unless they have angels for landlords. If they don't pay rent then they don't pay property taxes. Now of course this couldn't apply to people living in rent free or government housing projects of which there are many. So would you allow people who pay legitimate rent to vote?

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by Houston Techsan View Post
    The only failure of you logic about owning property is that renters indirectly pay property taxes. If the tax rate goes up so does their rent (eventually) unless they have angels for landlords. If they don't pay rent then they don't pay property taxes. Now of course this couldn't apply to people living in rent free or government housing projects of which there are many. So would you allow people who pay legitimate rent to vote?
    Yep! In fact many renters are incredibly naive, thinking they are voting to raise taxes for the more wealthy when in fact they are raising it on themselves as well. This describes the Dems. base voters to a 'T'. Not only that but a large percentage can't speak, read or write English. They should get zero say on tax issues as well as national and state government votes IMHO ; especially the illegals. And I don't care if that's not PC.

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Yep! In fact many renters are incredibly naive, thinking they are voting to raise taxes for the more wealthy when in fact they are raising it on themselves as well. This describes the Dems. base voters to a 'T'. Not only that but a large percentage can't speak, read or write English. They should get zero say on tax issues as well as national and state government votes IMHO ; especially the illegals. And I don't care if that's not PC.
    What would you say is the percentage of renters who cannot speak, read, or write English? How does that compare to the literacy rate among homeowners?

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by faninmonroe View Post
    Will most likely go after the police jury for civil money penalties for allowing this to make it to the ballot.
    And you would fail -

    If the taxing authority goes through the proper the procedures with the bonding commission and the state, the Police Jury has no option but to let it got to vote or face the wrath of the AG and Secretary of State in court - regardless of what kind of district it is - water, sewer, fire, levee, enterprise, recreation etal
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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    What would you say is the percentage of renters who cannot speak, read, or write English? How does that compare to the literacy rate among homeowners?
    You tell me my friend. Have at it.

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Yep! In fact many renters are incredibly naive, thinking they are voting to raise taxes for the more wealthy when in fact they are raising it on themselves as well. This describes the Dems. base voters to a 'T'. Not only that but a large percentage can't speak, read or write English. They should get zero say on tax issues as well as national and state government votes IMHO ; especially the illegals. And I don't care if that's not PC.
    I know many English-speaking folks who are clueless too. I have one vacant unit right now...had to renovate and repair the place after the former renters left it a mess, leaving during the holidays. A woman told me how much rent I should ask for. No thanks, I replied. She insisted saying she "knows" what the market is and demanded I accept her lowball offer. I said fine, go rent a place for that much with someone else then. Good bye. She called me back the next day ASKING ME if I knew other landlords and what was available. I didn't say what I wanted to say, but did offer, "well, since you're such an expert on the market, why are you asking me?" I can tell you with 101% certainty she won't find any decent place, anywhere, for what she is willing to pay. Better buy a cardboard box for herself.

    Property taxes went up...again...in Natchitoches in 2018, for both city and parish. Insurance rates inched up as well.

    But, a much bigger issue looms. The whole pending A/C crisis with the outlawing of R22 is now one year away, effective 1/1/20 unless Congress....ooops, never mind on that. I have been slowly changing to the new system, and still have 4 units to go. Will cost me about $30,000 to replace all 4 this year. But will cost me closer to $40,000 or maybe even $50,000 if I wait til 2020. Just watch what's gonna happen to rent when these big rental property owners...those with apartment complexes and/or 20, 30, or more separate units...HAVE to replace A/C units. One woman here, a retired school teacher, owns 78 rent houses. Some of them have just window units, but well over 50 of her houses have central units. Hello!

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    I know many English-speaking folks who are clueless too.
    Exactly! But I bet I know what party she votes for year after year raising her own taxes and getting dorked on "Obama's Affordable Healthcare" and watching her low income friends, black and white, lose jobs to illegals and well as personal property probably.

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    You tell me my friend. Have at it.
    Ok -- roughly 14% of adults in the US cannot read. Another 7% cannot read above a 5th grade level.

    Around 19% of adults in the US speak a language other than English at home, but about 60% of these also speak fluent English.

    So, depending on how you count them -- it's probably safe to estimate somewhere around 1 in 5 people in the US cant read so good, and about half of them (about 10% of US population) no speak-a zee English either.

    Homeownership, on the other hand, which had peaked around 70% before the recession, seems to have stabilized around 65%.

    Sooooo --- about 1/10 of the population cant read or write English, but around 1/3 of the US rents their home. We know that illiteracy is strongly associated with poverty. We can
    we can speculate, however, that there are probably some wealthy individuals who rent their home, as well as some poor families who own one.

    But how is that 10% of non-English speakers correlated with the one-third of renters? I regret I couldn't find any research in a 10 minute search on my lunch. Were you able to find any studies linking English proficiency with homeownership?

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    14% of US adults can't read? Do you have a link?

    Taken at face value....who the heck are these people? 14%! that's like 47 million people! Please tell me that's a mistake. Maybe it's actually 1.4%.

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    14% of US adults can't read? Do you have a link?

    Taken at face value....who the heck are these people? 14%! that's like 47 million people! Please tell me that's a mistake. Maybe it's actually 1.4%.
    Im on my phone now. But it was a Bing search for “US literacy rate”

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    What would you say is the percentage of renters who cannot speak, read, or write English? How does that compare to the literacy rate among homeowners?
    According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent (1 in 7) of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can't read. (as of Jul 7, 2017)

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...n_3880355.html

    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-li...ate-in-America

    Of course, this has nothing to do with the literacy rate of HOMEOWNERS, which was your initial question. That info is very hard to find. But for obvious reasons, I guarantee you the literacy rate of homeowners will be much higher than the general public's.

    While I did find info stating that the most illiterate city in America is Bakersfield, CA, it seems almost impossible to find out exactly WHO the illiterate are in America. Are they mostly native hispanic people who speak Spanish (likely)? Are they white hillbillies from Appalachia? Are they renters? No documents seem to want to identify WHO the illiterate are in America. I suspect this is for political and stigmatization reasons. Good luck finding data on that.

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    US Census Bureau: https://www.census.gov/popclock/

    328 million x .14 = 46 million

    So, 46 million American adults can't read? That seems too high to me. Do they mean "functionally illiterate"? That's a little different than "purely illiterate." Still, that's bad enough. And, how was this study conducted? Did they randomly select 100 adults from across the country and found 14 of 'em couldn't read? What was the actual sample size of the study?

    I find this impossible to believe. 14%? I agree with Hogdawg on the PC aspect of this. If someone knows, they ain't gonna say.

    Stigma aside....how is this even possible? Even the poorest of our poor have smart phones. How do you "function" on a smart phone not being able to read? Is this an indictment of our public education system? (has to at least play a role in it). Is this an indictment of our social welfare system? (has to at least play a role in it).

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    Re: Ouachita folks, you ready for a ULM tax????

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent (1 in 7) of the population.
    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    US Census Bureau: https://www.census.gov/popclock/

    328 million x .14 = 46 million

    So, 46 million American adults can't read?
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