Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You're playing simpleton lawyer tricks again huh?
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The construction of the wall will start very soon with the 20 million that has already been raised. This section will be built on private land that's already available. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/u...l-funding.html
DOD Tells Congress "nothing stopping President Trump from using military to build wall"
During a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy John Rood confirmed to Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) that Trump does not need Congress or a national emergency declaration to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
BROOKS: I want to direct your attention to 10 United States Code § 284 which authorizes President Trump to deploy the United States military to the southern border to build fences and to do a lot of other things, and for clarity, if you look it up in the dictionary the word fence includes the word barrier and the word barrier includes walls made of a wide variety of different materials.
So that having been said, it seems to me that 10 U.S. Code § 284 can be used by the President of the United States to direct the United States military to build a wall. Now as of today, you’ve mentioned military forces along the southern border, have any of them been deployed pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 284?
ROOD: Congressman, I don’t believe any of our forces have been deployed pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 284. You are correct, however, that that use of authority would authorize the secretary of defense to erect barriers, roads, fencing, those types of materials to disrupt drug smuggling.
BROOKS: Does 10 U.S.C. § 284 as you understand it, require the declaration of a national emergency before it is implemented?
ROOD: No.
BROOKS: It does not?
ROOD: No.
BROOKS: Has President Trump, to your knowledge, ever used 10 U.S.C § 284 to direct the military to build the wall that is necessary for border security?
ROOD: No, not to my knowledge, Congressman.
BROOKS: If President Trump were to direct the Pentagon and the United States military pursuant to 10 U.S.C § 284 to build such barriers as are necessary to secure our southern border from drug trafficking and international crime cartels would the United States military obey that order?
ROOD: If we judge it to be a lawful order, yes sir. And I assume it would be.
Trump would rather talk about a wall.
Private wall-funding program passes $20 million
WeBuildtheWall Inc. leader says plans for construction in 'months'
Read more at https://www.wnd.com/#2GWTSrEBMtCcg3o9.99
Saw him interviewed says they can build at a rate of $2 million/mile as compared to $18 million/mile by the fed guvmint, or something like that. I don't doubt the strictly private sector can beat the pants off the guvmint for efficiency and effectiveness. But, even at $2 million, they have only enough to build 10 miles or so.
Instead! use that $20 million to fund a bounty. Pay hunters, oh, IDK, $500 per head for each illegal's head brought in. They can cover a lot more than 10 miles. In fact, if you've been on one of those militarized deer hunts with dogs...4-wheel drives...radios...now they use drones too, wow! I guarantee it wouldn't take too many rednecks to cover a 100 miles+ with a bounty paid. Heck! those guys wouldn't even bother to collect every head. They'd do some of it just for fun!
Just a thought...
OK, let's fund a movie together per this storyline.Saw him interviewed says they can build at a rate of $2 million/mile as compared to $18 million/mile by the fed guvmint, or something like that. I don't doubt the strictly private sector can beat the pants off the guvmint for efficiency and effectiveness. But, even at $2 million, they have only enough to build 10 miles or so.
Instead! use that $20 million to fund a bounty. Pay hunters, oh, IDK, $500 per head for each illegal's head brought in. They can cover a lot more than 10 miles. In fact, if you've been on one of those militarized deer hunts with dogs...4-wheel drives...radios...now they use drones too, wow! I guarantee it wouldn't take too many rednecks to cover a 100 miles+ with a bounty paid. Heck! those guys wouldn't even bother to collect every head. They'd do some of it just for fun!
Just a thought...
It looks like Mexico, their government kick-backs and their drug lords will pay for the wall after all.
Use seized $14 BILLION to build border wall?
After El Chapo conviction, use seized $14 BILLION to build border wall?
FEBRUARY 12, 2019
BY MARTIN WALSH
Could El Chapo’s seized drug money be used to build the border wall?
That’s one of the questions many are asking on Tuesday following news of the former drug kingpin being found guilty on all counts.
Mexico’s most notorious drug kingpin, Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, will spend the rest of his life in prison after a jury found him guilty on all 10 counts following a three month trial.
According to Breitbart, the United States has seized $14 billion from the former drug lord, which gave Sen. Ted Cruz a brilliant idea.
The Texas Republican introduced the Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order (EL CHAPO) Act in April 2017, which calls for the use of the $14 billion seized from the cartel drug lord to be used to pay for the wall.
“Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border,” Cruz said in a statement.
“Ensuring the safety and security of Texans is one of my top priorities,” he added.
Cruz said using criminally forfeited assets from El Chapo and other Mexican cartel members and drug dealers can “offset the wall’s cost and make meaningful progress toward achieving President Trump’s stated border security objectives.”
“The U.S. Government is currently seeking the criminal forfeiture of more than $14 billion in drug proceeds and illicit profits from El Chapo, the former leader of the Sinaloa drug cartel who was recently extradited to the U.S. to face criminal prosecution for numerous alleged drug-related crimes, including conspiracy to commit murder and money laundering,” Cruz added.
Wisconsin Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner proposed similar legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives, which would use money seized from drug cartels to fund a border wall.
“This is a way to fulfill the president’s desire to have Mexico pay for the wall,” Sensenbrenner, a member of the Judiciary Committee, told the Washington Examiner. “Having the money seized from Mexican drug cartels would mean that the bad Mexicans would end up paying for the wall, and the bad Mexicans have been terrorizing the good Mexicans with crime and kidnappings and murders within Mexico itself.”…
“The [Drug Enforcement Agency] has estimated that the gross receipts of the Mexican drug trade or somewhere between $19-$29 billion a year,” he said. “We don’t have to be 100 percent efficient to get the the money we need to completely pay for the wall relatively quickly.”
El Chapo’s $14 billion would fund well over half of the proposed wall along the southern border between the U.S. and Mexico.
Predictably, lib organizations and those being played (and paid off) by the libs, are screaming about the wall in various locations. One is a small church right on the US-Mexico border, and others are bird watchers claiming the wall will block their view, and one is a so-called rancher whose private property line is the US-Mexico border. Well...
here's a solution to those screamers. Just build the wall around their property leaving them on the Mexican side of the wall. No gates, no doors in the wall. And that way they can spend quality time with the drug cartels, slavers, murderers, et al they obviously embrace. Everyone will be happy that way!
Exactly! The left only thinks via emotions and never any intellectual logic.
Stephen Miller: 'Trump will protect his national emergency declaration'
Senior adviser and a hardline voice on immigration also said 200 miles of border wall will have been built by September 2020
Stephen Miller, a hardline and influential voice on immigration policy, also claimed the administration will have built 200 miles of border wall by September 2020, two months before the next presidential election.
Speaking to Fox News Sunday, Miller defended Trump’s controversial decision to declare a national emergency in order to secure funds to build a wall on the US-Mexico border, despite the president’s own startling admission on Friday that the situation is not an emergency and that his use of emergency powers is unlikely to survive challenges in the lower courts.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...stephen-miller
Beto says we don't need no stinkin wall in El Paso. This gunfire is coming from just across the border in Juarez. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX2gtblTeqI
Leave the gap at El Paso then.
Hadrian's Wall...I'm sure you are all familiar with the wall across northern England built by the Romans, coast to coast. Of course, that was all of 73 miles. Still, built in the 2nd century...construction began in 122 AD and was completed in a few short years...it was quite an engineering feat. It was more than just a wall, 20 feet high and 10 feet thick. There were 72 castles, 140 watch towers and 17 large forts, each housing 1,000+ Roman soldiers. Over 25 million bricks, large stones, were used in the construction. And since that part of England is devoid of rock, it all had to be hauled in from elsewhere.
This was not a remote location, even though it was on the very edge, the northern frontier of the Roman Empire. Well over 25,000 Roman soldiers "lived" at the wall. This spurred economic development. Small towns sprung up at each of the 17 large forts, and commerce began between these towns, the Romans, and trade to other parts of the land.
And! it worked. The wall deterred the "Barbarians" from invading southern England, Roman-held lands. "Barbarian" is a derogatory term coined by the Romans for the Scottish tribes. Stems from "bah-bah" which is how the Scotts' language sounded to the Romans.
Some historians acknowledged it worked, but was over-kill. In the year 81 AD the Romans crushed the "Caledonians" the name used by the Scottish tribesmen, in a series of battles where 30,000 Scottish soldiers were killed. After that the Scotts limited themselves to raids and sometimes smaller military incursions. In all cases, the Roman Army was able to deal with the trouble on the field of battle. That is true. And it is also true that Hadrian, as Roman Emperor, wanted to send a clear message to his governors, across the Empire, that he did not want it to expand geographically. This wall, and others like it, were meant to keep enemies out, but to also contain the political ambition of his governors.
Anyway, another example of a wall, in history, that worked.
Part 2...wrap-up
How successful was Hadrian's Wall? Well the Romans occupied and maintained it for 300 years. The Wall was abandoned around 410 AD when Rome was having problems closer to home, namely, Germanic tribes invading Italy and threatening Rome itself. All troops on the frontiers were called home. Prior to that, over the years, the decades/centuries, Scottish tribes tried to destroy the wall, and they damaged it in several places, but always the Romans beat them back and repaired the wall.
For 15 years, from 138-153 AD, Hadrian's Wall served as a backup, as the Romans pushed 100 miles north into Scotland, and built another wall. But they found that one untenable, and retired back to Hadrian's.
Centuries later, during the Scottish Wars of the 16th Century, English armies tore down 30 miles of the wall and used the stones to build roads. And beginning about that time, locals raided the wall for building materials for their houses. And to this day, 29 churches are known to have stones from Hadrian's Wall as walls for those churches.
Sections of it have been completely restored as tourist and historic destinations. Students of archeology and history spend time in rebuilt castles on the wall, to get a feel of what it was like for the Romans back then.
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