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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by boxerdog View Post
    I was impressed by Houston's offense last year and this year before their quarterback got hurt. Outside of that, I got nothing.
    I didn't see anything impressive about UH or their offense last year.

    This year it was pretty much proven that Briles was the architect behind their offensive resurgence.

    There's no comparison between FAU and UH with Briles as OC and then without Briles.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Our QB coach has more experience coaching than Applewhite.

    He got lucky on UT becoming a fan favorite and rode it into job after job. He’s never really proven his offenses to be spectacular.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by revf View Post

    He got lucky on UT becoming a fan favorite and rode it into job after job. He’s never really proven his offenses to be spectacular.
    Yep. Cool name does not equal good coach.
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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Houston Techsan View Post
    Applewhite has had OC experience at Alabama, Texas and Houston. He has also had HC experience now. I was thinking more along of the lines of replacing Skip with Major and promoting Tim to OC. Major would not be around long if successful so that would open it up for Tim.
    I agree with Dawg06 on this. No thanks when it comes to Applewhite as a HC.

    His handling of the Ed Oliver situation revealed a lot about his leadership abilities. To do that to Oliver in public on national television just about killed his career at Houston. It's easy to see how he lost the team after that game.

    He handled the situation the way Woody Hayes or Bo Schembechler might have handled it in 1978. But this is 2018. He could have quietly had an assistant coach speak to Ed at halftime that night and told him it was a bad look for him to wear the coat on the sidelines and that the ESPN cameras were on him constantly. And that it would be a better idea to just layer up. That's the way a good leader would have handled that situation. With any player but especially Ed Oliver. Like it or not he's different if you're Houston's head coach.

    Look at the way Jimmy Johnson handled the situation when he cut a player for falling asleep in a meeting. When asked by a reporter what if would have done if it was Troy Aikman that had fallen asleep Johnson said "I would have gently nudged him and quietly whispered to him "Hey Troy wake up." That's the reality of dealing with a star player over small issues. They're just treated differently.

    It's no different in the corporate world, which is how I suspect Houston booster Tilman Fertitta views this issue. When a Fortune 500 company has a big producer who walks in 45 minutes late to work once a week and says he was having breakfast with a client nobody says anything. He/She isn't going to be questioned. When the administrative assistant in the audit department does the same thing that person isn't going to be given the same leeway. The fact Major Applewhite apparently didn't know the difference in how to manage his star was a big red flag to Fertitta.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    So, who are the leading candidates for the Houston job? Not sure I believe some of these mentioned in this story.

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...s-for-cougars/
    The Dallas Morning News has reported that Klingsbury turned down Tennessee, er Houston's offer to be their next head coach. Word out of Morgantown is they would not try to block Holgorsen from leaving fron Houston, nor would they raise his current salary one cent if he asked to regotiate his current deal. His tenure in Morgantown has been a disappointment, only 20 games above .500 over seven years and only one ranked team. Of course, he took them bowling six of the seven years for all you guys who think that is a good measuring stick of success. This years team was a major disappointment. Seems like those in West Virginia would be happy to lose this coach and take a chance with another hot, young coordinator.

    If Houston could lure Brown from Troy that might be the way to go. Not sure he would leave Troy for Houston though. He is loaded at Troy for next season and could use that success for a P5 job after next season. Kiffin might have been a hot candidate last season, but after this season who knows? A losing season in CUSA doesn't seem likely to land you a bigger paycheck.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    I'm just surprised that none of our LA Tech fans have commented on the fact that Skippy is NOT on Houston's (or anyone else's) list of coaching candidates. That tells you everything you need to know about our coaching situation. Even Sonny Dykes was good enough to make Houston's (and others) list of candidates previously.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    I'm just surprised that none of our LA Tech fans have commented on the fact that Skippy is NOT on Houston's (or anyone else's) list of coaching candidates. That tells you everything you need to know about our coaching situation. Even Sonny Dykes was good enough to make Houston's (and others) list of candidates previously.
    Houston has a billionaire running this coaching search. He seems willing to spend $4-5 million+ to hire a coach. That's $4-5 million a year, not $4-5 million over 6 or 7 years. This search is way above Skip's pay grade.

    Plus, and I am sure this is your point. When you fire a coach you want his replacement to be a better hire. Unless you are The University of Tennessee, all bets are off if you are Tennessee. LOL Skip may actually be a better coach than Major, but clearly Houston wants a bigger name. Time will tell if it works out for them.

    On a side note, there was a junior high team across the state line in Mississippi looking for a head football coach for the varsity team. Rumor has it Skip was at the top of the list as possible hires for a while. At the last minute a "big booster" stepped in and they decided to hire one of the p.e. teachers instead. So we are safe with Skip and J'Mar for 2019.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom View Post

    On a side note, there was a junior high team across the state line in Mississippi looking for a head football coach for the varsity team. Rumor has it Skip was at the top of the list as possible hires for a while. At the last minute a "big booster" stepped in and they decided to hire one of the p.e. teachers instead. So we are safe with Skip and J'Mar for 2019.
    LOL!

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Yep. Cool name does not equal good coach.
    Applewhite turned to applesauce.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom View Post
    The Dallas Morning News has reported that Klingsbury turned down Tennessee, er Houston's offer to be their next head coach. Word out of Morgantown is they would not try to block Holgorsen from leaving fron Houston, nor would they raise his current salary one cent if he asked to regotiate his current deal. His tenure in Morgantown has been a disappointment, only 20 games above .500 over seven years and only one ranked team. Of course, he took them bowling six of the seven years for all you guys who think that is a good measuring stick of success. This years team was a major disappointment. Seems like those in West Virginia would be happy to lose this coach and take a chance with another hot, young coordinator.

    If Houston could lure Brown from Troy that might be the way to go. Not sure he would leave Troy for Houston though. He is loaded at Troy for next season and could use that success for a P5 job after next season. Kiffin might have been a hot candidate last season, but after this season who knows? A losing season in CUSA doesn't seem likely to land you a bigger paycheck.
    Expect DH to be announced as Houston's Head Coach later today or tommorow. WVU has no interest in competing with Tilmam Fertita for a mediocre coach who couldn't recruit high school kids to WVU.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom View Post
    Expect DH to be announced as Houston's Head Coach later today or tommorow. WVU has no interest in competing with Tilmam Fertita for a mediocre coach who couldn't recruit high school kids to WVU.
    He will be able to find more 3,4 and 5 star athletes by just looking out his window in Houston than in all of West Virginia. I am looking forward to see how he does. Plus, his hair style should blend in down there. It the second best haircut in the NCAA football, second to only to Mike Gundy. The Houston metro area has four times the population of West Virginia.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by olddog75 View Post
    He will be able to find more 3,4 and 5 star athletes by just looking out his window in Houston than in all of West Virginia. I am looking forward to see how he does. Plus, his hair style should blend in down there. It the second best haircut in the NCAA football, second to only to Mike Gundy. The Houston metro area has four times the population of West Virginia.
    Really Captain Obvious? WVU nor Marshall relies on the state of West Virginia for players. Holgorsen's failure at WVU was his lack of ability to recruit kids from Texas to play Big 12 football at WVU. He had to rely to often on JUCO's or transfers. His recruiting was actually worse than Rodriguez and Stewart. Some of this problem was also losing Doc Holliday to Marshall, he recruited Florida so well for many years for WVU.

    Would be interesting to see RichRod leave Ole Miss to try his luck again in Morgantown. Won't happen, but heads would explode if it happen.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Why would anyone want Applewhite anywhere near our program?

    Applewhite has pretty much been a failure almost everywhere he's been as both OC and HC.

    He was the OC who engineered UT's downfall to get a national championship winning coach fired. Mack had to fire Manny as the scapegoat because he couldn't fire the Texas legend Major Applewhite.

    He was also the OC at Bama who could only manage 14 points in a loss to ULM, and then Saban fired him.

    Not only that, he would bring baggage involving his scandal as a coach with a UT student.

    The only time Applewhite was really successful was a couple years as UH OC with Herman as HC, and I'm pretty sure that had a lot more to do with Herman than Applewhite.

    He was a major underachiever as HC at UH (no pun intended).

    He got his jobs due to his popularity as a UT QB, especially in Texas, and for whatever reason, his popular reputation is still primarily the result of his playing career, not his coaching prowess. Or maybe it's just because he has a cool name.

    I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.
    Major Applewhite has lacked success at everywhere he has been with the exception of Rice.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Why would anyone want Applewhite anywhere near our program?

    Applewhite has pretty much been a failure almost everywhere he's been as both OC and HC.

    He was the OC who engineered UT's downfall to get a national championship winning coach fired. Mack had to fire Manny as the scapegoat because he couldn't fire the Texas legend Major Applewhite.

    He was also the OC at Bama who could only manage 14 points in a loss to ULM, and then Saban fired him.

    Not only that, he would bring baggage involving his scandal as a coach with a UT student.

    The only time Applewhite was really successful was a couple years as UH OC with Herman as HC, and I'm pretty sure that had a lot more to do with Herman than Applewhite.

    He was a major underachiever as HC at UH (no pun intended).

    He got his jobs due to his popularity as a UT QB, especially in Texas, and for whatever reason, his popular reputation is still primarily the result of his playing career, not his coaching prowess. Or maybe it's just because he has a cool name.

    I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.
    Manny must not have taken it too hard because Applewhite is currently one of the top candidates for the OC spot at Miami.

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    Re: Applewhite?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Manny must not have taken it too hard because Applewhite is currently one of the top candidates for the OC spot at Miami.
    Depending on who you believe he is the OC in Miami. Weird the way all of this is going down.

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