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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    fixed it for you
    What did Yeshua believe in? We know that Mary, the mother of Yeshua, didn't believe in that virgin birth nonsense.

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    What did Yeshua believe in? We know that Mary, the mother of Yeshua, didn't believe in that virgin birth nonsense.
    ?

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Now this is pretty cool. After having been to Israel and Jerusalem twice, the Bible comes alive as you walk the footsteps of Jesus. These steps having been brought to Rome in the 4th century make it very compelling.


    Holy Stairs 'Jesus climbed before crucifixion' unveiled in Rome...

    By Phoebe Natanson ROME — Apr 12, 2019 3:33 AM
    After more than a year of restoration, the 28 steps that make up the "Scala Sancta," or Holy Stairs, of the Pontifical Shrine in Rome were unveiled on Thursday, just in time for the thousands of people who will flock to Rome and the Vatican for Easter.

    The steps were believed to be part of Pontius Pilate’s palace in Jerusalem and are the same steps Jesus climbed before being tried by the Roman governor and sentenced to crucifixion.

    It is believed that Emperor Constantine's mother, St. Helena, brought the steps from Jerusalem to Rome in the fourth century once Christianity became the Roman Empire's main religion. They are now housed in a building that contains part of the old papal Lateran Palace, across from the Basilica of St. John the Lateran in Rome.


    Since the Middle Ages, when pilgrims started flocking to Rome to pray in churches and venerate relics, millions of faithful have made the traditional penitential ascent up the stairs on their knees as they pray and meditate on Christ’s passion.

    The stairs had not been seen without their wooden protection in almost 300 years.
    "The newly restored frescoes help the faithful connect with the Holy history," Father Francesco Guerra said.



    For the next two months, until Pentecost, pilgrims will be able to ascend the bare marble Holy Stairs on their knees -- since 1723, they had been encased in walnut wood for protection.

    Before Thursday's unveiling ceremony, the Vatican Museum restorers described how moving it was to uncover the original stairs, which contain three small bronze crosses embedded in the marble and spots believed to be stained by Jesus’ blood.

    The restorers also found large furrows running along each step, which they deduced were caused by the toes of pilgrims’ shoes as they knelt and rose to move up to the next step over the course of centuries.









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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    ?
    Yeah, That was kind of my reaction to that as well. I started to type a response, but it's hard to even put it into words.

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Now this is pretty cool. After having been to Israel and Jerusalem twice, the Bible comes alive as you walk the footsteps of Jesus. These steps having been brought to Rome in the 4th century make it very compelling.


    Holy Stairs 'Jesus climbed before crucifixion' unveiled in Rome...

    By Phoebe Natanson ROME — Apr 12, 2019 3:33 AM
    After more than a year of restoration, the 28 steps that make up the "Scala Sancta," or Holy Stairs, of the Pontifical Shrine in Rome were unveiled on Thursday, just in time for the thousands of people who will flock to Rome and the Vatican for Easter.

    The steps were believed to be part of Pontius Pilate’s palace in Jerusalem and are the same steps Jesus climbed before being tried by the Roman governor and sentenced to crucifixion.

    It is believed that Emperor Constantine's mother, St. Helena, brought the steps from Jerusalem to Rome in the fourth century once Christianity became the Roman Empire's main religion. They are now housed in a building that contains part of the old papal Lateran Palace, across from the Basilica of St. John the Lateran in Rome.


    Since the Middle Ages, when pilgrims started flocking to Rome to pray in churches and venerate relics, millions of faithful have made the traditional penitential ascent up the stairs on their knees as they pray and meditate on Christ’s passion.

    The stairs had not been seen without their wooden protection in almost 300 years.
    "The newly restored frescoes help the faithful connect with the Holy history," Father Francesco Guerra said.



    For the next two months, until Pentecost, pilgrims will be able to ascend the bare marble Holy Stairs on their knees -- since 1723, they had been encased in walnut wood for protection.

    Before Thursday's unveiling ceremony, the Vatican Museum restorers described how moving it was to uncover the original stairs, which contain three small bronze crosses embedded in the marble and spots believed to be stained by Jesus’ blood.

    The restorers also found large furrows running along each step, which they deduced were caused by the toes of pilgrims’ shoes as they knelt and rose to move up to the next step over the course of centuries.









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    We visited a church in Rome that is said to house the marble pillar that Jesus was tied to when he was whipped by the Romans. You can see it, it's on display. I took a pic of it. Only afterwards, I saw the sign "No Photos Please." It was one of those digital point and shoot cameras. I was like, oops! but I didn't see any reason to delete the pic. Later when I reviewed the pics I took during the day, every pic came out perfectly. Except that one. Instead of a pic of the holy pillar, it was the image of an angel holding a sign "Can't you read!?"

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    What did Yeshua believe in? We know that Mary, the mother of Yeshua, didn't believe in that virgin birth nonsense.
    i'm interested to learn how you know this. it seems we have more information on what Yeshua believed than just about anyone else in the same time frame.

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    When I visited Rome in 2001, we had no idea where our hotel was located in the city. So when me and Mrs. when for a walk in the afternoon we had no idea what we would find. After a couple of blocks we saw an old church where people were coming and going. Once inside we discover it was called Scala Sancta. The church was old, dark and looked like it had not been painted in 700 years. Upstairs was a room which contained the alter used for the first Mass in Rome. It was quite an emotional experience to see all the devotees, most of them elderly, climbing the wood covered stairs on their knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    i'm interested to learn how you know this. it seems we have more information on what Yeshua believed than just about anyone else in the same time frame.
    Yeshua was an Enochian Jew which was an alternative to mainstream Mosiac teachings. Mary and Yeshua's siblings were view as heretics by the early Christians for denying that Yeshua had a virgin birth.

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by saltydawg View Post
    Yeshua was an Enochian Jew which was an alternative to mainstream Mosiac teachings. Mary and Yeshua's siblings were view as heretics by the early Christians for denying that Yeshua had a virgin birth.
    a statement of fact, stated as if you know it first hand. any sources for this knowledge before the 4th century?

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    a statement of fact, stated as if you know it first hand. any sources for this knowledge before the 4th century?
    Would it matter? It is all hearsay anyway.

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Would it matter? It is all hearsay anyway.
    i think the evidence is much better than simple hearsay. most historians agree.

    also, if you hear two accounts of what saltydawg did with his time yesterday -- one from saltydawg's closest friend who was with him all day, and one from me, living hundreds of miles away, which "hearsay" account would you be more likely to believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasbob View Post
    i think the evidence is much better than simple hearsay. most historians agree.

    also, if you hear two accounts of what saltydawg did with his time yesterday -- one from saltydawg's closest friend who was with him all day, and one from me, living hundreds of miles away, which "hearsay" account would you be more likely to believe?
    Before the 4th century is still generations later, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Before the 4th century is still generations later, right?
    the fourth century is the earliest salty's stories came out (if that early)

    we have pieces of new testament from the early second century, and there seems to be a scholarly consensus that the new testament was completed and compiled before the end of the first centrury (before the last of the apostles died).

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Are Salty and Guisslapp related?

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    Re: The Ark Encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Are Salty and Guisslapp related?
    No, I'm related to Spinoza.......

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