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    Re: China

    In the 1990s there was a belief that the Westernization of China through the exposure of Chinese citizens to Western culture, ideas and economic growth would lead to the abandonment of the single party state and political freedoms.

    Some are now ready to write that off now. I am not so sure. I think it is just going to take a lot longer than most expected. And I think some may have failed to consider that cultural exchange is a two-way street. Chinese culture has deep roots.

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    Re: China

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    In the 1990s there was a belief that the Westernization of China through the exposure of Chinese citizens to Western culture, ideas and economic growth would lead to the abandonment of the single party state and political freedoms.

    Some are now ready to write that off now. I am not so sure. I think it is just going to take a lot longer than most expected. And I think some may have failed to consider that cultural exchange is a two-way street. Chinese culture has deep roots.
    Good points. But, I have personally experienced how quickly and steadfastly Chinese people adopt and embrace capitalist philosophy. It dovetails with most of them just wanting to live their lives, care for their families, live in peace and relative security. A majority of Chinese people ALLOW communism to continue because the effort, risk, losses it would take to overthrow the commies is simply not worth it to them. That same majority won't cry a single tear if the commies are dethroned.

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    New generation of US ICBMs? Based on what I've heard...wow! and woe be the moronic fools who would dare to start a war with us. These new missiles can carry non-nuke warheads, but very, very powerful explosives capable of taking out capital ships, carriers and heavy cruisers, and in fact, a single missile can carry multiple warheads that could destroy an entire fleet, or certainly render it impotent, even if a few ships manage to survive the attack. They travel at speeds exceeding Mach 15 and can maneuver to avoid anti-missile defenses. They can take out bases and airfields, and industrial sites.

    These missiles actually travel into space and then re-enter the atmosphere from directions an enemy has no clue to watch for. Even if detected an enemy would have mere minutes to try to react and as mentioned, the missiles have their own defensive measures that will detect enemy radar painting them and any anti-missile missiles fired at them. At speeds exceeding Mach 15 there are no effective missiles that can deal with them.

    Note: many nations have experimented with and tested very fast missiles. Russia, China, India, France and the US have all built a missile that reached speeds of around Mach 26. But, these were controlled tests and in no case did the missile carry warheads and other electronics. It was mostly an engine in an empty hull.

    Right now the fastest anti-missile missiles that are actually deployed and operational have top speeds of less than Mach 10 and those are rare. Most nations' inventories and the bulk of missile forces have missiles with speeds of less than Mach 7, with Mach 5, being the most common. ICBMs dropping from space and hitting speeds of Mach 15 will be unstoppable by any nation's defensive measures. NOTE: the missiles have been clocked at Mach 17 but their operational speed, once weighted down with warheads, will be closer to Mach 15.

    The Pentagon announced recently that such missiles are being deployed now, placed in secret launch locations. Obviously the best way for an enemy to try to deal with them is to take out the launch sites before the missiles can be launched. The Chicoms have ramped up "war preparations," deploying assets to remote locations and mostly spreading them out. President Xi encouraged Chinese soldiers to stand firm and to remember their loyalty to China. Some pundits think this is in direct response to the deployment of the new US ICBMs. Maybe Xi is afraid Trump will send him a special-delivery package...

    Others think China (Xi) is just feeling the pressure of many nations rallying to stand against the Chicoms. Putin has deployed more missiles, attack-aircraft, and troops to the common border region between Russia and China. India is continuing its buildup in the Himalayas in response to the Chicoms deploying more troops on their side of the mountains.

    Now, here's a practical benefit to all this world-wide muscle flexing...the Chicoms have pulled back and hunkered down into a defensive posture and have recalled a significant portion of its deployed military assets, reducing tensions and concerns in Africa, in particular, and other regions. Their entire sub fleet is now back in Chinese waters or close by.

    Xi will just wait and hope Harris is elected POTUS then he'll feel bold again, next year.

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    Hmmm...the US has signed separate joint defense agreements with India and Japan, both aimed at checking Chicom expansionism. These are in addition to the previous alliances formed "the Quads," which also involved India and Japan. These agreements are more specific and focus on joint training and maneuvers to address expected Chicom threats. US officials, Pompeo and Esper, have met with Japanese and Indian officials in a series of meetings. But now, as of yesterday, India announced they have altered their agreement with the US to be strictly a joint defensive measure should the Chicoms launch a concerted invasion across the border. This change surprised US officials. Now, some pundits are saying this is merely a "defensive" measure by India acting out of fear Harris-Biden will get elected and they will not be able to depend on the US in a wider conflict vs. China. Meaning, India is attempting to tone down the growing tension along the Sino-Indian border...being less provocative.

    There are no changes to the US-Japanese agreement.

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    Re: China

    Trump was right about everything “China” from day one. All of the commie media, Hollywood and the Dem party made fun
    of Trump for his stance on China. Trump is right in almost everything that’s Pro-America and “America First”! And China has been a “POX on America and the world” the last 80 years!

    That said the Holy Spirit has been moving in China per their civilians. Tens of Millions have come to Christ and are under persecution!

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    Re: China

    Asia-Pacific countries form world's largest trading bloc

    Australia, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, and Vietnam.

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    Re: China

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    Asia-Pacific countries form world's largest trading bloc

    Australia, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, and Vietnam.
    Those other nations may have let the fox (China) in the henhouse. I am glad to see that some of those nations are expressing concerns over China's inclusion...they should. You can bet China's intentions are 100% self-centered and they will do anything and everything to undermine the economic and political sovereignty of those nations.

    That said, I have no fundamental problem trading with China, but they cannot be trusted to act with honesty and integrity and measures have to be put in place to watch 'em. One has to remember this...

    the Chicoms have proudly, unapologetically announced their plan to dominate the world. They have been taking steps toward that goal for decades, and it's been the US, often with an ally, that has stepped up and checked them. The Chicoms have quietly backed off, only to try again somewhere else. They will not quit until the commies are deposed in China.

    To those other countries...caveat emptor. (although I know Australia, Japan, Philippines, South Korea...especially, know that China won't change its spots)

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    Re: China

    Today, the US sent two B1 Bombers into Chicom airspace. After being in the airspace for 1 minute and as they turned to depart it, the bombers sent a signal (message) to alert the Chicom defense system they had been there. The Chicoms scrambled two fighters but the bombers were long gone, and actually entering Japanese airspace, by the time they arrived. This is thought to be a message to China to cease and desist the harassment of Taiwan. Since early September the Chicoms have penetrated Taiwan airspace every day, and sometimes twice a day. Pundits think the Chicoms are probing for weaknesses in Taiwan's air defense system, gaging response times, etc...also, some think the Chicoms are trying to cause fatigue and complacency in the Taiwan defense air force. Just the other day a scrambled Taiwan F-16 went down and it and its pilot have not been located yet. Mechanical failure of the 30-year-old jet is assumed. Taiwan has 150 US-built F-16s whose role is strictly defense as interceptors. The bulk of that fleet was sold to Taiwan in 1997 when President Clinton authorized an enhance sale of the fighters. In 1992 President Bush I first signed an agreement to sell 60 F-16's to Taiwan, later increased by Clinton.

    The B1 Bombers were refueled by aerial tankers completing their roundtrip from Guam. The US has stepped up pressure, and our presence, in and around Chinese waters and airspace. Nuke subs are stationed there...though no one is quite sure exactly where. The US Ronald Reagan Carrier Group just passed between Chicom and Japanese waters as a show of force. Beijing issued a complaint it was meant to provoke them to react. The carrier group stayed in international waters during the passage.

    There is NO DOUBT the Chicoms want Taiwan. And pundits warn that they will seize any opportunity presented to act. They have stepped up both their rhetoric and their actions since November 3rd. That is no coincidence. But, the Chicoms have, so far, backed off when challenged, both militarily and diplomatically. Of course they try to turn every incident into being "the US's fault." As long as the Quads forged by President Trump remain together and strong, the Chicoms will be a like a gorilla and beat their chest, but do nothing.

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    Re: China

    Mageshima Island

    Secretly the US has been involved with Japan in the reoccupation and rebuilding of the island for military purposes. The Island is at the southern tip of a long line of Japanese held islands, some occupied by fishing villages, but most are uninhabited. This island held a Japanese base during WWII, used to defend Okinawa, and as such was bombed to rubble by US bombers in 1945. It has remained off limits ever since. Since 2018 there has been activity on the island and every time they were asked about it the Japanese government dismissed questions and simply said a Japanese company has been contracted to clean it up, etc...

    Well, surprise! The US and Japan are engaged in a joint project to turn the island into a military base. It sits a couple hundred miles east of Taiwan and is perfectly positioned to serve as a base for allied military assets to defend Taiwan from Chicom aggression. The Jap government, to deflect some criticism, has stated the base will serve as a training facility and allow both Jap and US forces to engage in training that is currently being conducted closer to populated areas. There have been complaints by Japanese groups of noise pollution and that this remote island will alleviate that problem. But, it will also be an operational base from which Jap and US forces can easily use to defend Taiwan.

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    Speaking of islands....the Chicoms have built artificial islands, on the coral reefs of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. They did this for both economic and strategic military purposes. And in theory, it would have worked. Fortunately for the free world, Mother Nature had other ideas. The fake islands are SINKING!!! The Chicoms dumped millions of tons of concrete on soft, coral reefs, and surprise! the reefs can't support the weight. Runways designed to service military aircraft are crumbling, the concrete cracking with huge cracks and holes. The Chicoms tried to keep up by patching the cracks and holes but it soon became apparent they were fighting a losing battle.

    Too bad....

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    Re: China

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Speaking of islands....the Chicoms have built artificial islands, on the coral reefs of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. They did this for both economic and strategic military purposes. And in theory, it would have worked. Fortunately for the free world, Mother Nature had other ideas. The fake islands are SINKING!!! The Chicoms dumped millions of tons of concrete on soft, coral reefs, and surprise! the reefs can't support the weight. Runways designed to service military aircraft are crumbling, the concrete cracking with huge cracks and holes. The Chicoms tried to keep up by patching the cracks and holes but it soon became apparent they were fighting a losing battle.

    Too bad....
    Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Wonder if Beijing Biden will try to help them?

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    Re: China

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Wonder if Beijing Biden will try to help them?
    Probably has interest in the concrete company too.

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    BTW, the Chicoms also caused enormous ecological and environmental devastation too. Many species of fish and other critters dependent on those coral reefs may never recover...we're talking about the extinction of numerous species. Gee, I wonder what the Left in this country would be screaming about if say, maybe an O&G Company had caused such damage. Any guesses?

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    Re: China

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    BTW, the Chicoms also caused enormous ecological and environmental devastation too. Many species of fish and other critters dependent on those coral reefs may never recover...we're talking about the extinction of numerous species. Gee, I wonder what the Left in this country would be screaming about if say, maybe an O&G Company had caused such damage. Any guesses?
    You should see what commie China is doing to Africa without the double standard loonies screaming a word.

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    China operates over 19,000 fishing vessels that spread out across the world harvesting as much fish, squid, and other food as they can. And do so with total disregard to any sensitivity toward the ecological ramifications or the health of the species. That is, they over-harvest species that the international community has agreed to limit harvesting of it to assure the species doesn't go extinct. The Chicom fishing fleets "invade" territorial waters and stay until and unless that country's navy chases them away. Well, many nations, like in Africa, simply lack the resources/ability to do so.

    Well...recently a Chicom fishing fleet of 340 trawlers "invaded" Ecuador's waters, including around the ecologically sensitive Galapagos Islands. Ecuador dispatched several frigates and found two Chicom frigates were with the Chinese fishing fleet. They then called on assistance from the international community. Well, who responded? Yep! the US Navy did and quickly. A portion of our Pacific fleet replied to the request via communication and began steaming in that direction. But, our commander in charge of this fleet had no authority to act and sought permission to aid the Ecuadorian ships. The Secretary of the Navy contacted the White House and President Trump was alerted to the situation. Our fleet was less than 12 hours away from contact by that time and needed instructions. Trump authorized the Navy to "act on its own discretion and to cooperate fully with authorities of Ecuador."

    The next day US scout helicopters appeared over the Chicom fleet. The two Chicom frigates issued warnings to the helicopters to back off or they will be fired upon. The pilots allegedly replied, "It's not us you need to worry about." A few hours later the Chicom frigates realized what they were facing...They departed the area leaving the 340 trawlers to fend for themselves. Ecuadorian "police" accompanied members of their Oceanic Institute in boarding the trawlers and found endangered species of fish and other critters in the holding tanks. All those critters still alive were released back into the ocean. As much of the illegal catch as possible was rescued. Several of the trawlers were actually Chicom spy ships and tried to make a run for it. But the fast US frigates easily chased them down and detained them. Their crews surrendered and turned over a bunch of documents and intelligence to the Ecuadorians who then shared it with the US. By this time a Peru navy vessel appeared and announced this same Chicom fishing fleet had been off their coast, illegally, and they wanted a piece of the action now.

    Five of the Chicom vessels were seized by Ecuador and two taken by Peru as "compensation." Several of the trawlers were evacuated of their crews and then sunk by the Ecuadorian navy. Apparently they were angry and wanted to sink something! Then Admiral Gimenz, commander of the Ecuadorian Navy, publicly thanked President Trump and the US Navy and the American people who have always stepped up when called upon.

    The Chicoms consume 33% of all the fish eaten on Earth. Fish is an important stable of the Chinese diet. They are 20% of the world's population but consume 33% of the fish. They have fishing fleets dispatched around the globe and they disregard international harvesting treaties and invade territorial waters whenever they can get away with it. They over-fish other nation's waters and guard their own. Last year a Japanese fishing trawler strayed into Chinese waters, was boarded and then sunk by the Chicoms. The crew was released unharmed.

    A Harris-Biden administration will be a push-over, and will even cooperate with the Chicoms. The world will be more dangerous.

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