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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    You and your wife need to pay more...so you can help cover all these illegals invading our country. Illegals are entitled to FREE healthcare. Champ has already taken out another mortgage and he's donating every dime to the cause, er, right Champ. I mean you are putting your money where your mouth is...good Samaritan. You might have heard of it.
    You can thank your favorite President, the lying OG gun runner, for illegals free health care as he was the one that signed it into law in 1986 with the passage of COBRA and its massive unfunded mandate, EMTALA.

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    You can thank your favorite President, the lying OG gun runner, for illegals free health care as he was the one that signed it into law in 1986 with the passage of COBRA and its massive unfunded mandate, EMTALA.
    I'll have to research that. I have no recollection of this alleged event. But, if true, then I will say Reagan goofed. And that mistake needs to be rectified immediately.

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    You can thank your favorite President, the lying OG gun runner, for illegals free health care as he was the one that signed it into law in 1986 with the passage of COBRA and its massive unfunded mandate, EMTALA.
    nope. Illegals are illegal. You forget that part. While cobra and it's results are not conservative doctrine, free healthcare for illegals was not what the democrats had in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    nope. Illegals are illegal. You forget that part. While cobra and it's results are not conservative doctrine, free healthcare for illegals was not what the democrats had in mind.
    If you are a qualifying provider, per Ronald’s EMTALA, you can’t deny service to someone on the basis of them being undocumented.

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    Re: Socialism

    42 USC 1395dd:

    Examination and treatment for emergency medical conditions and women in labor

    (a) Medical screening requirement

    In the case of a hospital that has a hospital emergency department, if any individual (whether or not eligible for benefits under this subchapter) comes to the emergency department and a request is made on the individual's behalf for examination or treatment for a medical condition, the hospital must provide for an appropriate medical screening examination within the capability of the hospital's emergency department, including ancillary services routinely available to the emergency department, to determine whether or not an emergency medical condition (within the meaning of subsection (e)(1) of this section) exists.

    (b) Necessary stabilizing treatment for emergency medical conditions and labor

    (1) In general

    If any individual (whether or not eligible for benefits under this subchapter) comes to a hospital and the hospital determines that the individual has an emergency medical condition, the hospital must provide either—

    (A) within the staff and facilities available at the hospital, for such further medical examination and such treatment as may be required to stabilize the medical condition, or

    (B) for transfer of the individual to another medical facility in accordance with subsection (c) of this section.

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    If you are a qualifying provider, per Ronald’s EMTALA, you can’t deny service to someone on the basis of them being undocumented.
    My point is that Ronald, Tip, nor any of those passing this mess were thinking about future idiot socialist democrats using it as ammo to take care of illegal immigrants in mass numbers.

    I'm also familiar with this crap because I actually live it every day and have actually owned my own business so I understand the negative impact is has on small business. I'm not surprised that you use something you would otherwise defend as a great act of socialism while searching for a way to beat down conservatism.

    You are too young to remember that true conservatives were very much opposed to COBRA, but unlike socialist liberals, conservatives have learned how to live with it or get around it if possible.

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    You mean when the socialists rebel?

    If so I agree. That is what we are already seeing with Trump’s election. Those who have suffered in this new wave of automation based technological disruption falsely believe that their ills are caused by regulation of business, globalization and illegal immigration. Trump’s anti-globalism rhetoric is stage 1 of anti-capitalism.

    The new means of production are increasingly moving to the West coast. The new smart software that reduces the need for high skill workers in “back office” jobs (HR, finance, accounting, managerial, etc) across the US including so-called “flyover country” is being produced in places like San Francisco, Silicon Valley, Seattle. Digital transformation is creating more valuable jobs in IT (currently) but is also quickly disrupting the need for other more familiar middle class jobs. But that is how capitalism works. If you are a capitalist, you should welcome this type of change because this is how productivity (GDP) grows.

    Obviously we have already seen a significant growth in automation in farming and manufacturing. The classic story of needing fewer machinist jobs because with CNC machining, one “machinist” can with the assistance of software and robots do the job of more than 10 at lower cost and more profit is playing out gradually in every industry and with all jobs. Great news for the capitalist that owns the means of production, but not so great for the “hard worker” that relies solely on his labor.
    Hot off the press:

    https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/22403...b-694443190b4f

    Interesting that Louisiana is predicted to be the state most impacted by the wave of automation. Texas doesn’t score much better.

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    My point is that Ronald, Tip, nor any of those passing this mess were thinking about future idiot socialist democrats using it as ammo to take care of illegal immigrants in mass numbers.

    I'm also familiar with this crap because I actually live it every day and have actually owned my own business so I understand the negative impact is has on small business. I'm not surprised that you use something you would otherwise defend as a great act of socialism while searching for a way to beat down conservatism.

    You are too young to remember that true conservatives were very much opposed to COBRA, but unlike socialist liberals, conservatives have learned how to live with it or get around it if possible.
    So you are saying Reagan was dumb? The language that he signed was clear. It was also clear that this was an unfunded mandate. Maybe he didn’t realize?

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    You can thank my favorite President Obama, the lying gun runner (Fast and Furious), for illegals free health care as he, Biden, Hillary pushed for and now the current socialist Democrats and Biden are pushing for it again and its massive unfunded mandate.
    Changed it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Changed it for you.
    I started a thread calling him the worst POTUS ever, but that was before we saw how low it could really go.

    The real health care damage was done by Reagan’s EMTALA. An individual mandate, as originally required in Obamacare, is a logical necessity if you are going to have a Reagan Rule requiring anyone that shows up at an ER to be screened and possibly stabilized or treated.

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I started a thread calling him the worst POTUS ever, but that was before we saw how low it could really go.

    The real health care damage was done by Reagan’s EMTALA. An individual mandate, as originally required in Obamacare, is a logical necessity if you are going to have a Reagan Rule requiring anyone that shows up at an ER to be screened and possibly stabilized or treated.
    You've lost all sense of reasoning and logic. I'm not surprised. You don't have a clue about the real world outside of MSM's idea of utopia

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    I haven't researched it, gone back to look, but I seem to recall Reagan was trying to solve the immigration crisis and made a deal with Tip O'Neill and the Dems to seal the border and he agreed to some provisions to be enacted first, including this EMTALA crap and then the Dems just laughed and never enacted the other aspects of the deal. Trump cited that as the reason he won't agree to Dem proposals until AFTER the border is secured.

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    Yeah, I agree it sounds like you haven’t researched this.

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    Re: Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Hot off the press:

    https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/22403...b-694443190b4f

    Interesting that Louisiana is predicted to be the state most impacted by the wave of automation. Texas doesn’t score much better.
    But, automation disruption will go much further than robots doing physical jobs. Think about how disruptive this technology will be to current entry level jobs:

    https://youtu.be/JvbHu_bVa_g

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