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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    brtransplant:

    Well, that's depressing. Of course, there is a lot of truth in your post, and unfortunately, given the mentality of too many people, you are very likely correct. BUT! it still doesn't have to be that way. This runaway debt is a relatively recent mess, like in the last 20 years or so. This nation managed to function and do very well for 225 years with an in-control debt. It's 3rd and long, true, but we can still complete a pass to keep the drive alive...no need to punt, yet.

    Naturally, to quickly reverse the debt problem would require some draconian cuts to the budget, and that means all those social programs libs love and too many people have become dependent on. We can start by cutting off completely and all money spent on behalf of the invaders. Deporting every illegal would save this country $622 billion a year. The gross savings would be $746 billion but you have to factor in the cost of our military/police rounding up the invaders and the loss of revenue into the treasury. (we could be more selective and allow some illegals to remain, and that would address most of that loss of revenue)

    Next, we need to greatly roll back foreign aid, but truthfully, that would contribute only $3.2 billion annually.

    The biggest piglets at the tits of the nation are Medicaid, food stamps, the bastardized Social Security, Medicare, and all the other "social" programs, and it is in those the real savings are found. So, if we wish to quickly eliminate the debt, well...here ya go.

    But, I don't think such draconian measures are necessary and can be counter-productive. We don't have to completely eliminate the debt, and certainly don't have to do it overnight. We need to eliminate the annual deficit! Stop digging the hole deeper. And that can be done relatively easily. Run a small surplus every year, with EVERY DIME used to pay down the debt. Then we'll all see a date in the future when the debt would be eliminated. That would completely restore confidence in the US dollar, the US economy, and in our future.

    Alas, even these small, simple steps require the political will to make it happen. It is not too late...mathematically...it might be too late politically.

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    LOL!! OMG!

    Well, now that we've had our little laugh over that piece of crap article...we return you to reality.
    Just completed a FB message exchange with this Stephanie Slade...she sees merit in the views of Bernie Sanders and Pocahontas Warren. Case closed.

    Next!

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Just completed a FB message exchange with this Stephanie Slade...she sees merit in the views of Bernie Sanders and Pocahontas Warren. Case closed.

    Next!
    Interesting. What about the direct quotes?

    Slade is a Catholic libertarian with a BA in economics. Pre-Trump, she would’ve been a hero around here!

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Trump had a Republican Congress and the only thing he passed was a budget busting tax cut.

    Btw, debts are a drag on future economic growth. Japan is a couple decades ahead of us and Europe about 10 years.
    Congress hasn’t passed a budget on time in 20 years. They have passed the buck and used continuing resolutions. That would be both parties. The deficit issue is primarily a congressional failure.

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    The dollar is fine. In fact, in some ways it is so strong relative to other currencies that it is hurting us in trade.

    A reordering of the financial system is unlikely, unless you mean more socialism. If you want a preview of what higher debt:GDP does, look at Japan and Europe. It just costs future growth, businesses no longer thrive and grow, base unemployment gets higher. It sucks, but not so much that the world gets turned upside down.

    As I have said repeatedly, the Boomers have been stealing their children and grandchildren’s future for decades. The Trump tax cut was just another one of these generational thefts.

    I do agree that some level of austerity in the short term could solve this, but that is going to require revenues to exceed spending for a sustained period of time. Taxes must be raised, unfortunately, to improve the future.

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    brtransplant:

    Well, that's depressing. Of course, there is a lot of truth in your post, and unfortunately, given the mentality of too many people, you are very likely correct. BUT! it still doesn't have to be that way. This runaway debt is a relatively recent mess, like in the last 20 years or so. This nation managed to function and do very well for 225 years with an in-control debt. It's 3rd and long, true, but we can still complete a pass to keep the drive alive...no need to punt, yet.

    Naturally, to quickly reverse the debt problem would require some draconian cuts to the budget, and that means all those social programs libs love and too many people have become dependent on. We can start by cutting off completely and all money spent on behalf of the invaders. Deporting every illegal would save this country $622 billion a year. The gross savings would be $746 billion but you have to factor in the cost of our military/police rounding up the invaders and the loss of revenue into the treasury. (we could be more selective and allow some illegals to remain, and that would address most of that loss of revenue)

    Next, we need to greatly roll back foreign aid, but truthfully, that would contribute only $3.2 billion annually.

    The biggest piglets at the tits of the nation are Medicaid, food stamps, the bastardized Social Security, Medicare, and all the other "social" programs, and it is in those the real savings are found. So, if we wish to quickly eliminate the debt, well...here ya go.

    But, I don't think such draconian measures are necessary and can be counter-productive. We don't have to completely eliminate the debt, and certainly don't have to do it overnight. We need to eliminate the annual deficit! Stop digging the hole deeper. And that can be done relatively easily. Run a small surplus every year, with EVERY DIME used to pay down the debt. Then we'll all see a date in the future when the debt would be eliminated. That would completely restore confidence in the US dollar, the US economy, and in our future.

    Alas, even these small, simple steps require the political will to make it happen. It is not too late...mathematically...it might be too late politically.
    I would love to be completely wrong about our situation. I just don't think I am. The people we've trained to be completely dependent on government welfare programs would literally starve if we ever cut them off of the freebies. They'd riot in the streets if we ever even tried to cut back on their "benefits". I am very much a fiscal conservative, and I'd support everything you mentioned, but I also believe that it'll never happen. There's a reason for the "Don't Feed The Bears" signs in Yellowstone.

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    The dollar is fine. In fact, in some ways it is so strong relative to other currencies that it is hurting us in trade.

    A reordering of the financial system is unlikely, unless you mean more socialism. If you want a preview of what higher debt:GDP does, look at Japan and Europe. It just costs future growth, businesses no longer thrive and grow, base unemployment gets higher. It sucks, but not so much that the world gets turned upside down.

    As I have said repeatedly, the Boomers have been stealing their children and grandchildren’s future for decades. The Trump tax cut was just another one of these generational thefts.

    I do agree that some level of austerity in the short term could solve this, but that is going to require revenues to exceed spending for a sustained period of time. Taxes must be raised, unfortunately, to improve the future.
    The dollar is indeed fine, for now, but it has nothing to do with the solvency of the US and everything to do with how horrible things are everywhere else. The US dollar is the option of last resort for everyone around the globe. People run to it for "security" in times like these, and that's what is keeping the US dollar strong.

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    So, liberals have a new strategy. They are saying they can change the meaning of words to tell us they mean something that they don't mean.Are you saying that I'm supposed to be offended if somebody calls me a conservative nationalist because some left wing loon writes an article saying the words don't mean what they say. A conservative means that I believe in the Constitution and want to see it interpreted as our founding fathers wanted it interpreted because it is the best way to preserve our liberty and freedom. A nationalist is someone who loves their country and believes that our country and our people come first over those in foreign countries. You, of all people should not believe left wing propaganda because you make your living by using only one book. Do you want a muslim telling you that your book is wrong and his is right? If he tells you that his book tells him that it is ok for him to kill you if you do not believe his book, is that ok with you?

    This is just another left wing loon trying to force her beliefs on you or misuse words that give them a different meaning. This type of rhetoric has been used for years by socialists, communists, and democrats against their enemies. Notice who jumped in there first to give you support.
    I bet this writer learned all that garbage from a left wing loon professor.

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Interesting. What about the direct quotes?

    Slade is a Catholic libertarian with a BA in economics. Pre-Trump, she would’ve been a hero around here!
    Wonder if she got that concern over "drag queens in public library" from me? I posted a response on a blog that this Slade is an active member of, she commented something to the effect that [ ] are overly concerned about "boogie men." Slade is a fake Libertarian, much like another poster here, who shall remain nameless. She only gives lip service to true Conservatism and too readily excuses liberalism.

    On the wider topic, American "nationalism" is rooted in some fundamental principles:

    1. Rugged individualism
    2. Minimal centralized government
    3. Adherence to basic Judeo-Christian doctrine, beliefs, and guidance
    4. The rule of law (Constitutional Republic)
    5. American "exceptionalism"

    And some others...

    This forms the basis of "Americanism," and that is what Trump and 100 million+ other TRUE Americans are fighting to preserve. The only reason a globalist like Slade tried to brand Patriots with this tag of "Conservative Nationalism" is to get that term "nationalist" connected to Trump and his supporters. Then there will be that vain attempt to link it to "The National Socialist Party" of 1930's Germany.

    BTW, Slade has taken a beating on her Facebook page over this article. It was running 100% "you are full of chit" and then she cut off additional comments.

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Did y’all read the article? She quotes these guys directly. THEY use the term nationalist just as multiple posters here have.

    I don’t care that Trump is a nationalist. Nationalists always end up as statists and statists are only for small government when they aren’t in power.

    The point is that conservatism and nationalism are antithetical to one another. The Rush article is a great example.

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Did y’all read the article? She quotes these guys directly. THEY use the term nationalist just as multiple posters here have.

    I don’t care that Trump is a nationalist. Nationalists always end up as statists and statists are only for small government when they aren’t in power.

    The point is that conservatism and nationalism are antithetical to one another. The Rush article is a great example.
    Here's another fact for you about conservatives, we believe in freedom and we believe in expressing our own opinions. We're not in lock-step with the party leaders like democrats. If you don't believe it, go on CNN or MSNBC one day when they think they have something on Trump. They're all saying the same thing. Those that have a different opinion are too scared to say anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONW View Post
    Here's another fact for you about conservatives, we believe in freedom and we believe in expressing our own opinions. We're not in lock-step with the party leaders like democrats. If you don't believe it, go on CNN or MSNBC one day when they think they have something on Trump. They're all saying the same thing. Those that have a different opinion are too scared to say anything.
    I would expect everyone to report the truth. Why isn’t FoxNews?

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    I don't get too caught up in labels, especially when it's the leftists who are trying to define the term. But, for the sake of discussion, in this case the term "nationalist" has taken on the meaning of being anti-globalist. The same cause that gave us BREXIT. And, in large measure, why Trump won in 2016, and will win again in 2020.

    I am USA first! To the point that America's needs are met, and those of Americans, that's all I care about. Now, after we have met all of our needs, then I will consider who else around the world might need a helping hand. AMERICA FIRST!

    In this era of commie bastard led attacks against nations' sovereignty good people need to hunker down and become "nationalists" putting their country first. We need to have allies, of course, who share our vision of the world. And who can readily recognize the true enemies of Liberty and Freedom. So...

    nationalism = anti-globalism, anti-communism, anti-Islamism

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I would expect everyone to report the truth. Why isn’t FoxNews?
    No you don't!

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    Re: “Conservative” nationalism subverts individual liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I would expect everyone to report the truth. Why isn’t FoxNews?
    Did you know that FNC has a liberal news program that comes on at 2 M-F and is hosted by Shepherd Smith who is gay. They have several news contributors throughout the day that are liberals. I've never seen a conservative news contributor on CNN or MSNBC. CNN and MSNBC are not interested in reporting the truth or having anything other than a liberal view on their network.

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