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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    The results of my records request were ... unsatisfying. The addendum to the game contract to change the venue does not contemplate any other changes. Not to the guarantee amount or anything. If Tech got anything out of the deal, it was kept strictly off-the-books. Some theories ...

    1) One or more persons affiliated with Tech got caught behaving badly somewhere in Arkansas. This change in venue was a concession to make things go away quietly.

    2) Somebody at the AD level or above received (or was promised) some other form of compensation or incentive that remains undisclosed.

    3) Somebody at the AD level or above is a huge pushover without a lick of wherewithal to do what's best for Tech.
    Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.

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    Re: 87 people....

    I’ll second scenario 3.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by zharkins View Post
    Yes. The original Arkansas contract specified Little Rock as the site in passing. The addendum to move it to Fayetteville signed by T-Mac was short and to the point, with no mention of any reason or compensation. The only time in I have seen money change hands for any change of location or change of date, regardless of who was requesting it, was when BVDV paid UNLV $100K to move the game at UNLV from 2014 to 2020 (the move was made in July, 2013). We could afford that because Auburn offered us $1.2 million to play them on that date on such short notice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    The results of my records request were ... unsatisfying. The addendum to the game contract to change the venue does not contemplate any other changes. Not to the guarantee amount or anything. If Tech got anything out of the deal, it was kept strictly off-the-books. Some theories ...

    1) One or more persons affiliated with Tech got caught behaving badly somewhere in Arkansas. This change in venue was a concession to make things go away quietly.

    2) Somebody at the AD level or above received (or was promised) some other form of compensation or incentive that remains undisclosed.

    3) Somebody at the AD level or above is a huge pushover without a lick of wherewithal to do what's best for Tech.
    This explains whey our AD would not answer questions Diaz asked about why the game was moved. He shut Diaz down from even commenting on the possible reasons.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    This explains whey our AD would not answer questions Diaz asked about why the game was moved. He shut Diaz down from even commenting on the possible reasons.
    Most likely it is because Arkansas said they may want to move it as part of the original contract discussions. If anyone thinks we dictated the game would be in Little Rock from the beginning as part of the deal, then I want some of what they are smoking. Then Arkansas could have nicely said, "Sure you don't have to go along with the move, but it will be the last contract you sign with Arkansas in any sport as long as this administration is here."

    No, no, I'm sure the conspiracy route is the more likely reason. Good grief.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by zharkins View Post
    Most likely it is because Arkansas said they may want to move it as part of the original contract discussions. If anyone thinks we dictated the game would be in Little Rock from the beginning as part of the deal, then I want some of what they are smoking. Then Arkansas could have nicely said, "Sure you don't have to go along with the move, but it will be the last contract you sign with Arkansas in any sport as long as this administration is here."

    No, no, I'm sure the conspiracy route is the more likely reason. Good grief.
    Then why not just say, Arkansas asked us to move the game so we did? (BTW, I said Diaz above. It was Isabella)

    Our AD was whispering (not in public) that Arkansas needed us to move it to help them facilitate a late contract with Alcorn to play in Little Rock. Us moving our game to Fayetteville was announced 4/4/15. Their contract with Alcorn was announced 9/12/15 and the press release stated that Alcorn had the option of Fayetteville or Little Rock.

    Whatever happened, at the very least we should have gotten more money to move the game to Little Rock. It certainly cost us more to get there and stay there.

    Not sure why fans expecting our AD to be transparent is calling it a conspiracy. Good grief.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Their contract with Alcorn was announced 9/12/15 and the press release stated that Alcorn had the option of Fayetteville or Little Rock.
    Here is what I found, and it says the contract put the location at the discretion of Arkansas.

    https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/...rn-state-2016/
    "The contract stipulates for the game to be played either on campus in Fayetteville or in Little Rock at the discretion of the University of Arkansas. However, the Razorbacks also have switched the location of their Sept. 3 game against Louisiana Tech from Little Rock to Fayetteville, indicating the Alcorn State game is likely destined for War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock."

    I guess it doesn't matter. If you think we are in a position to make demands of the P5 payday teams we play, then this whole discussion is doomed anyway.

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    Re: 87 people....

    LSU paid NSU an additional $100,000 to move their game back 2 weeks (20% increase).
    https://www.scribd.com/document/4257...act#from_embed

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dawg View Post
    Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
    Ignorance oftentimes is malice.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    Ignorance oftentimes is malice.
    True. And I'm starting to be willing to be tin-foiled into a conspiracy.

    McClelland's constant comments about Tech being something called a "mid-major" make me think he's not just incompetent but malicious.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Us moving our game to Fayetteville was announced 4/4/15. .
    addendum was fully executed 5 months prior to that...

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by zharkins View Post
    If nothing else, I think it showed us our Shreveport ceiling was lower than we had hoped. 5-0, ranked 23rd against the #22 Aggies and we only drew 40,000 in Shreveport. I think that tells us that we would never under any circumstances draw any more than that unless it was LSU. It is probably that reality that had our administration pivot to focusing more on improving The Joe than looking to Shreveport for big games.

    Don't forget that game started at 9PM which also hurt the attendance. If that game was at 6 or 7pm, it is a sell out if you ask me.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gooddawg View Post
    Don't forget that game started at 9PM which also hurt the attendance. If that game was at 6 or 7pm, it is a sell out if you ask me.
    Yeah, and we were still at Indy Stadium at 1am, not home until after 2am. But, worth it. Was a great game (which could have been just 3 pts better).

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Yeah, and we were still at Indy Stadium at 1am, not home until after 2am. But, worth it. Was a great game (which could have been just 3 pts better).
    3 lousy pts among the 0-24 start would have done it.

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    Re: 87 people....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gooddawg View Post
    Don't forget that game started at 9PM which also hurt the attendance. If that game was at 6 or 7pm, it is a sell out if you ask me.
    Kickoff for that game was 8:17 PM for ESPNU because the Florida-Vanderbilt game before it started at 5:00 PM.

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