Why no Trump impeachment thread on Paw-Litics???

[detltu]

I don't believe the democrats are ever going to take a vote on impeachment, certainly not Shitt show. The republicans will make him testify and he can't testify without lying. The democrats also wouldn't want the Bidens to testify. They would also have to lie.

They have royally screwed this up again and they are starting to realize it. I think they find a way out of calling a vote. I think they try to censure at this point as that is probably the closest they can get to satisfying their base. It probably won't be enough though. The lemmings think they have Trump dead to rights and nothing short of impeachment is worthwhile. The independents out there know they are grasping at straws and wasting time that could be using their time more wisely showing people why they should be in charge.

[techman05]

Democrats- “We have to impeach. We have a moral imperative to do what is right.”

Also Democrats- “Wait, it’s an election cycle and our constituents don’t like impeachment? Never mind.”

[Guisslapp]

Republican lemmings have yet to figure out what is at stake. If they don’t impeach then forever more the President is free to ask foreign governments to intervene in our elections. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle if this one is allowed to stand.

[detltu]

Republican lemmings have yet to figure out what is at stake. If they don’t impeach then forever more the President is free to ask foreign governments to intervene in our elections. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle if this one is allowed to stand.

Democrat lemmings think the genie hasn't been out of the bottle for a long time.

[JuBru]

Republican lemmings have yet to figure out what is at stake. If they don’t impeach then forever more the President is free to ask foreign governments to intervene in our elections. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle if this one is allowed to stand.

Absolutely nothing from the Democrats or witnesses have shown this, yet. The whole impeachment hinges on this and not one person has shown this to be the case. All we (independents) have asked for is actual proof of this claim and it has not come. There has just a lot of grandstanding and mentioning of other unrelated stupid things from democrats and republicans; and most of it is showing to be within the powers of the office of the President since they have few limits on their foreign affairs powers. Without the literal phrase "to help me in the election" (or some variation), it is all hearsay and innuendo.

One of the issues I've had in all this is Trump asking a foreign government to investigate a citizen. That's the FBI's job. If they can't do it, then it doesn't get done. We (the United States) have vehemently rejected all treaties that allow U.S. citizens to be extradited on foreign charges. I think we even have a law that prevents us from doing so, anyway. But this angle isn't being used because it's not sexy.

The other issue is the withholding of military support to Ukraine. Ukraine is in a war with Russia, however much some don't want to say it. We, rightly or wrongly, have been in a proxy war with Russia on several fronts. The only reason to hold back any aid, regardless of any other stated reason, is to help Russia. But this is not being used either.

At most, Congress should have censured Trump. Sure, it might get overturned later but it could still be damning enough to knock him down a peg or two. This would especially be so if Congress did some legislation around it to limit the power of POTUS and regain some of its own.

[Guisslapp]

Democrat lemmings think the genie hasn't been out of the bottle for a long time.

Example?

[Guisslapp]

Absolutely nothing from the Democrats or witnesses have shown this, yet. The whole impeachment hinges on this and not one person has shown this to be the case. All we (independents) have asked for is actual proof of this claim and it has not come. There has just a lot of grandstanding and mentioning of other unrelated stupid things from democrats and republicans; and most of it is showing to be within the powers of the office of the President since they have few limits on their foreign affairs powers. Without the literal phrase "to help me in the election" (or some variation), it is all hearsay and innuendo.

One of the issues I've had in all this is Trump asking a foreign government to investigate a citizen. That's the FBI's job. If they can't do it, then it doesn't get done. We (the United States) have vehemently rejected all treaties that allow U.S. citizens to be extradited on foreign charges. I think we even have a law that prevents us from doing so, anyway. But this angle isn't being used because it's not sexy.

The other issue is the withholding of military support to Ukraine. Ukraine is in a war with Russia, however much some don't want to say it. We, rightly or wrongly, have been in a proxy war with Russia on several fronts. The only reason to hold back any aid, regardless of any other stated reason, is to help Russia. But this is not being used either.

At most, Congress should have censured Trump. Sure, it might get overturned later but it could still be damning enough to knock him down a peg or two. This would especially be so if Congress did some legislation around it to limit the power of POTUS and regain some of its own.

BS. Why were they asking for Ukraine to make a public ANNOUNCEMENT of the investigation?

That was the key point.

[Guisslapp]

Example?

The only other example I can think of was Nixon and his pre-presidential intervention in the negotiation of the peace treaty to end the Vietnam War to keep it going to improve his election chances.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ggest-3595441/

Nixon and Trump have a lot in common.

[DONW]

That impeachment hearing in the senate will be very interesting if it happens. Can you imagine a drugged out Hunter Biden being interrogated by Republicans answering how he took 3 million from a crooked company while his daddy explained how he was joking when he told the Ukraine president that he wouldn't get billions of US tax money if he didn't fire that investigator that was investigating the crooked company his son was taking money from for doing nothing. This show will get great ratings. It will be much better than the Shitt Show.

[brtransplant]

All this impeachment hoax will accomplish is to ensure that President Trump is re-elected in a landslide of historic proportions, and that the House of Representatives will return to a Republican majority while the Senate remains in Republican control. That'll give Republicans two full years to ram anything they want to down the Democrat's throats. We'll see how many Republicans remain loyal to the Deep State then.

Perhaps Ginsburg will retire once President Trump wins re-election. It'd sure be nice to see President Trump appoint the replacement for that disaster of a Supreme Court Justice.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

The only other example I can think of was Nixon and his pre-presidential intervention in the negotiation of the peace treaty to end the Vietnam War to keep it going to improve his election chances.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ggest-3595441/

Nixon and Trump have a lot in common.

So our liberal friend above reads rewritten history which now blames Nixon for the war Dem. Kennedy started and Dem. Johnson embellished upon killing 50,000+ American men. Prolonged my arse! Many of us here lived during this time and were in the military. We know what happened. The liberal Dems left hates the fact they started this war and a GOP/Conservative got us out. And they hate the fact of their real reputation of not being able to fight and win a war. They always have hated the real facts, so now they write and tell tall tales. I guess you would rather have stayed at war in N. Vietnam (which the Dems started).You are much like Obama allowing hundreds of thousands raped, tortured and killed.

[saltydawg]

Ukraine military aid officially put on hold the same day that Trump made his telephone call to Ukraine's President. The military aid was released on the same day that Trump learned of the whistle blower's complaint.

[saltydawg]

So our liberal friend above would rather have stayed at war in N. Vietnam (which the Dems started).
You are much like Obama allowing hundreds of thousands raped, tortured and killed.

Good that you agree that Trump and Nixon have much in common.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

The only other example I can think of was Nixon and his pre-presidential intervention in the negotiation of the peace treaty to end the Vietnam War to keep it going to improve his election chances.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ggest-3595441/

Nixon and Trump have a lot in common.

So our liberal friend above reads rewritten history which now blames Nixon for the war Dem. Kennedy started and Dem. Johnson embellished upon killing 50,000+ American men. Prolonged my arse! Many of us here lived during this time and were in the military. We know what happened. The liberal Dems left hates the fact they started this war and a GOP/Conservative got us out. And they hate the fact of their real reputation of not being able to fight and win a war. They always have hated the real facts, so now they write and tell tall tales. I guess you would rather have stayed at war in N. Vietnam (which the Dems started).You are much like Obama allowing hundreds of thousands raped, tortured and killed.

Good that you agree that Trump and Nixon have much in common.

Nope per Guisslapp's BS post.

So our liberal friend above reads rewritten history which now blames Nixon for the war Dem. Kennedy started and Dem. Johnson embellished upon killing 50,000+ American men. Prolonged my arse! Many of us here lived during this time and were in the military. We know what happened. The liberal Dems left hates the fact they started this war and a GOP/Conservative got us out. And they hate the fact of their real reputation of not being able to fight and win a war. They always have hated the real facts, so now they write and tell tall tales. I guess you would rather have stayed at war in N. Vietnam (which the Dems started).You are much like Obama allowing hundreds of thousands raped, tortured and killed.

[Guisslapp]

So our liberal friend above reads rewritten history which now blames Nixon for the war Dem. Kennedy started and Dem. Johnson embellished upon killing 50,000+ American men. Prolonged my arse! Many of us here lived during this time and were in the military. We know what happened. The liberal Dems left hates the fact they started this war and a GOP/Conservative got us out. And they hate the fact of their real reputation of not being able to fight and win a war. They always have hated the real facts, so now they write and tell tall tales. I guess you would rather have stayed at war in N. Vietnam (which the Dems started).You are much like Obama allowing hundreds of thousands raped, tortured and killed.

You didn’t know Nixon talked South Vietnam into walking away from the Peace Talks in 1968 when he was a political candidate?


https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ct-22-1968.pdf

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668