Covid - 19

[Champ967]

If there is one nickel of dem pork, or dem reductions to my liberties, in the bill they try to pass....Trump is history in my book.

Not a chance. We've long established there is literally nothing he could ever do or say to alienate his core supporters.

[DawgyNWindow]

It was an update. Take from it what you will.

I suspect that there are already millions of Americans that are carrying this virus, because we live in a free and open society.

If we tested everyone (which would do nothing to isolate or slow the spread of the virus), our numbers would have already eclipsed those reported by China many times over. Of course, you have to ask yourself if you trust the numbers China reported.

[Guisslapp]

I suspect that there are already millions of Americans that are carrying this virus, because we live in a free and open society.

If we tested everyone (which would do nothing to isolate or slow the spread of the virus), our numbers would have already eclipsed those reported by China many times over. Of course, you have to ask yourself if you trust the numbers China reported.

If we could test everyone we could isolate the hundreds of thousands that have it and slow the spread. Obviously, that won’t happen.

Testing an isolation could have done a lot to control this if we started in February. Testing and isolation WILL help us control this as we slowly reopen for business.

In the interim, testing helps epidemiologist and planners predict and direct the production and flow of resources.

[detltu]

Not a chance. We've long established there is literally nothing he could ever do or say to alienate his core supporters.

And there is literally nothing he could ever do or say to get those with TDS to ever admit he did something right. It's the world we live in.

[johnnylightnin]

And there is literally nothing he could ever do or say to get those with TDS to ever admit he did something right. It's the world we live in.

BS. That may be true for a number of his liberal critics, but it's certainly not true of me. He had a great opportunity here, but he squandered it. He's still in marketing mode. I don't think he has a leadership mode.

[CARTEK]

TDS at it's finest is exhibited on this thread daily...Trump could cure Covid-19 and some would complain he is depriving medical workers of a livelihood!

[dawg80]

Louisiana:

1,795 cases
65 deaths
48 of 64 parishes infected

Positive test rate down to 15.6%

[dawg80]

Not a chance. We've long established there is literally nothing he could ever do or say to alienate his core supporters.

Wrong! we do not march in lockstep like you socialist Nazis do. Oh, you don't agree? Look at what happened to John McCain with his stupid NO vote on replacing obummercare. He was "dead to us." It is you libtards that cannot be swayed from your loyalty and devotion to lib causes and politicians. Killary has murdered 167 people (at last count) and you would vote for her again in a heartbeat.

If Trump turns too lib for me (for us) watch how fast we jump off his bandwagon. But, for the most part, he has been a true American Patriot. Unlike...

[detltu]

BS. That may be true for a number of his liberal critics, but it's certainly not true of me. He had a great opportunity here, but he squandered it. He's still in marketing mode. I don't think he has a leadership mode.

BS no one is changing their minds anytime soon. Not to say he has handled this perfectly or even well enough to change peoples opinions of him, but it aint happening. Don't fool yourself.

[johnnylightnin]

BS no one is changing their minds anytime soon. Not to say he has handled this perfectly or even well enough to change peoples opinions of him, but it aint happening. Don't fool yourself.

We'll never know who's right, but I was certainly open to being won over. Trump has continued to be who I feared he would be.

[glm47]

We'll never know who's right, but I was certainly open to being won over. Trump has continued to be who I feared he would be.

LMFAO!

Bullshit.

[MoonPieBlue]

I moved this from the “China” thread (post 97) since Guisslapp is correct and it’s probably more appropriate here.

“We can only wonder whether accurate and timely information from China would have altered the way the U.S. government, the American people, and the world prepared for the oncoming danger of infection.“

This part that you quoted is explicitly conjecture. The commentary around the timeline includes conjecture.
I believe anyone would have done a better job than Trump, because Trump is the only president we have had that goes with his gut rather than what his experts tell him.

Just as your statement is all conjecture. You have no way of knowing whether 'anyone' else would have done a better job. You can speculate they could but someone else could speculate they wouldn’t. Just as looking at whether his action of limiting the influx of people from China did any good. Again, you can say it didn’t, and I could say it did, but its all speculation. Additionally, here you go again speaking in absolutes “Trump is the only president we have had that goes with his gut rather than what his experts tell him”. Guess we’re not the historians you are. Could you please list in descending order the Presidents who listened to their experts or went with their gut.

You could go through this thread where I documented in real time some of the things that I would have thought were reasonable to do (even without the classified intelligence Trump has access to).

For example, I like the idea of doing testing in our major transportation hub cities to spot outbreaks of Coronavirus before they become widespread.

How would you propose to implement this and with what tests, since none were available or if they were didn’t have FDA approval? Would we shut down these transportation hubs while testing was going to ensure no one infected with the virus left?

I wouldn’t have deprioritized pandemic response by disassembling the team led by a pandemic director sitting on the NSC.

I read some where it was reorganization more than disassembling. I don’t know enough to really comment on this. I bet we have a stronger one after.

I would have gotten in front of this economic issue weeks earlier knowing that we would need to do a shutdown and that would crush all our small businesses.

Knowing what we know now yes, but what we knew then I doubt anyone would have shut down the economy any quicker than Trump did. Again we can look back at all of this now and say that.

If I had access to the info Trump had, I (or anyone else) could have done much better. My opinions were influence solely on public information about what was going on in China to stop the spread in January. Why the fed government waited until mid-March to start figuring this stuff out is beyond crazy.

Again, you’re using the absolute ‘anyone’. I do agree however we should have done more in January to stop the spread. Cancel all flights from China, quarantine anyone coming from anywhere via China, secure the southern and northern border. Looking back there are lots of things we could have done. Could you imagine the uproar that would have occurred if this would have been implemented?

We could also not be so dependent on things from other countries, specifically those that are a matter of life or death.

The problem is that Trump discounts information that is not good for him. You know that is true. But sticking your head in the sand is a terrible response to a crisis.

Trump has his problems, I never thought he didn’t. But my ‘speculation’ is that we’d be in a lot worse shape if Hillary, Bernie, O’bama, Biden, Bill, or Bush had been President. Can I prove it, nope?

I hope the “But sticking your head in the sand is a terrible response to a crisis” is not directed at me. I’m just a lowly environmental engineer/computer scientist so I don’t have a lot of input to the situation. I’m doing what I can to self-isolate and not catch the virus. And if I do I’ll try not to spread it around.

Apologies for such a long post.

[johnnylightnin]

LMFAO!

Bullshit.

OK Boomer

[techman05]

Little help understanding the data collection with the virus. Do they wait until results come back to report the number of tests done? Or does the number of tests reported include tests which have no results back at the time of reporting? Does that make sense the way I asked?

[TYLERTECHSAS]

The US is on trend to have the most COVID-19 cases of any county in the world, including China, this weekend.

You do know we are the wealthiest and most traveled country and people group in the world don't you? And the liberal Dems "no borders and no wall" policy infected us as well.
And China letting 5,000,000 Chinese leave their Kung Flu stricken provence after a huge festival/celebration there ....spread it worldwide.

Thank the Lord it isn't worse and that Trump closed air travel from China long ago against Dems bitching and claims of racism. Trump's also clamped down on our borders despite Liberals bitching and claims of racism.

American's worst problem in the recent past, now and the future is and are the radical leftist politicos in our country. PERIOD!!