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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodawg View Post
    What’s the EU and the UK doing right to knock the virus down that the US is getting wrong?

    Serious question.
    US liberals not listening to Trump. Trump was right.

    Published 2 hours ago
    Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
    Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media


    Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.

    The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.

    In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.

    "Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."

    A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."

    "Fortunately, the Trump Administration secured a massive supply of hydroxychloroquine for the national stockpile months ago," a statement read. "Yet this is the same drug that the media and the Biden campaign spent weeks trying to discredit and spread fear and doubt around because President Trump dared to mention it as a potential treatment for coronavirus."

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Should have listened to Trump!

    US liberals not listening to Trump. Trump was right.

    Published 2 hours ago
    Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
    Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media


    Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.

    The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.

    In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.

    "Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."

    A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."

    "Fortunately, the Trump Administration secured a massive supply of hydroxychloroquine for the national stockpile months ago," a statement read. "Yet this is the same drug that the media and the Biden campaign spent weeks trying to discredit and spread fear and doubt around because President Trump dared to mention it as a potential treatment for coronavirus."

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    I already read the study yesterday. It wasn’t randomized and had 1/3 the patients in comparison to the randomizes Oxford trial that showed the HCQ has no benefit.

    The other major problem with the Henry Ford study is the HCQ patients were also given a steroid. The UK also did a study demonstrating the effectiveness of a steroid. Thus, the Henry Ford results might actually just be showing steroid effectiveness.

    Another interesting tidbit if you actually read the study - being white had a 1.7 Hazard Ratio, meaning it correlated to 1.7 times mortality rate, which is the opposite of what we have seen elsewhere.

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    It worked and saved so many lives. Politics of liberals hatred In high places killed so many since they didn’t want Trump to be right on the drug hydroxychloroquine. But he was!!


    So I post it again.


    Published 2 hours ago
    Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
    Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media


    Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.

    The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.

    In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.

    "Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."

    A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."

    "Fortunately, the Trump Administration secured a massive supply of hydroxychloroquine for the national stockpile months ago," a statement read. "Yet this is the same drug that the media and the Biden campaign spent weeks trying to discredit and spread fear and doubt around because President Trump dared to mention it as a potential treatment for coronavirus."

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hyd...onavirus-study

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    But have you read the study and the Oxford study? We don’t even know that it was the HCQ that made the difference in Detroit since the HCQ patients were also given a steroid.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    US liberals not listening to Trump. Trump was right.

    Published 2 hours ago
    Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
    Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media


    Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.

    The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.

    In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.

    "Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."

    A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."

    "Fortunately, the Trump Administration secured a massive supply of hydroxychloroquine for the national stockpile months ago," a statement read. "Yet this is the same drug that the media and the Biden campaign spent weeks trying to discredit and spread fear and doubt around because President Trump dared to mention it as a potential treatment for coronavirus."

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hyd...onavirus-study
    No, it’s a serious question. What’s the EU doing right that the US is getting wrong?

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodawg View Post
    No, it’s a serious question. What’s the EU doing right that the US is getting wrong?
    For one, the US is conducting way more test vs. the rest of the world.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by turbodawg View Post
    No, it’s a serious question. What’s the EU doing right that the US is getting wrong?
    For one, the US is conducting way more test vs. the rest of the world so our infection rates show up high.

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    Spoke with my niece this morning...she is an RN at Ochsner's Hospital, in their C-19 Ward. She is doing fine and says it's "organized chaos" now vs. just plain chaos from a few months ago. They have protocols in place and none of the staff have contracted the virus since early April. They had several staff get infected early on, but none since. She also confirmed that every death possible, even remotely possible, is charted as a "Covid-19 virus" death because the hospital is paid $4,500 by the Federal guvmint for each. Most of the deaths, she says, have been caused BY THE VENTILATORS not by what the vents are supposed to be treating or helping with. She is a bit disillusioned by it all as she had some glorified vision of the profession, thinking nurses and doctors were heroic people...which they still are, but she is more cynical about it all now. I told her she needed to focus on doing right by her patients and leave the monetary side of it to the hospital administration. Separate the two, in other words.

    My sister, just retired after nearly 40 years as an RN and a nurse anesthetist, is even more cynical. She said Madelyn is still new (18 months out of school), give her time, she will become even more cynical about it all. But, will learn as she did, to focus on her job/duties. I am on a hospital board and am very much aware of the financials. It's a business!

    Anyway, this whole C-19 mess is just that, a mess, and the real truth is being shucked aside. Yes, it is a potentially dangerous virus and it needs to be regarded that way, but it is also true that it is a political football and there are many players who are "looking the other way" because of the economics and the politics involved.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    How are they dying from the ventilators?

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBru View Post
    How are they dying from the ventilators?
    Bing! Google!

    But my niece and sister say the single biggest harm is ventilator-associated pneumonia.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    For one, the US is conducting way more test vs. the rest of the world so our infection rates show up high.
    Circular reasoning.

    Doesn’t hold water at all with respect to increasing per cent positive rate on tests. Or deaths.

    What are we getting wrong?

    What’s for two?

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    Re: Covid - 19

    George Carlin from 2011...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo



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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    George Carlin from 2011...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo


    Carlin was a funny dude. Lot of alt take social commentary.

    From your link:

    “And never mind ordinary germs, what are you gonna do when some super virus comes along that turns your vital organs into liquid shit? I’ll tell you what you’re gonna do... you’re gonna get sick, you’re gonna die, and you’re gonna deserve it cause you’re ****ing weak and you got a ****ing weak immune system!”

    People on chemotherapy, for example, or folks taking immunosuppressants for a wide spectrum of common ailments....yeah, they got a pretty ****ing weak immune system.

    And I guess they deserve what they get.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Need to watch Carlin's ripping of the "green movement," funny as heck, and it's funny because it's true.

    As for this bit, well, ya know, we "Boomers" and the generation(s) before us used to do crazy things...drink from a garden hose, hardly ever washed our hands (except when forced to by an adult), shared food/drink w/o any thought of "germs," played in mud, dirt, the woods. And from the safety side of the coin, NO SEATBELTS! rode in the back of pick-up truck, tailgate down! BTW, used to settle things with our fists, and that happened quite often. Funny thing, we all had guns at home too. But never ever considered using one to settle an argument, it was a fair, stand-up fist fight. Then afterwards, the bloody nose, busted lip, bruised and battered combatants would shake hands and be friends again!

    More...I don't remember any kid being sickly. The only exception was one kid down the street, Timmy N. who everyone called "Nailhead" because of his last name. He was kind of sickly...I think he had asthma and a few other ailments. But even he would play touch football in the street or tackle football on some vacant lot (no equipment, of course) and do the best he could with his condition. He didn't ask for special treatment and that's good because he sure as heck wasn't going to get any! But, 99% of everyone I grew up with, knew at school, knew from playing sports, just neighbors and acquaintances were all healthy. And today, even though I am personally in the worst shape of my life (athletically speaking) I can still ride my bike further and faster than the youngsters around here. They are pathetic!

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