Covid - 19

[PawDawg]

You don’t think social distancing slows the spread of the disease and thus the number of people that die? If so, explain how that is possible.

IDK. If we could only roll out more testing...

Seriously, we can't know how many were actually sick without the testing. All we "know" now is that those who die from it are old and/or had comorbidities. We heard that back when we first started getting reports, but reporting the facts doesn't work well on sheeple so they tried to make it sound like healthy young people dying was the norm.

[Guisslapp]

[QUOTE=eagle2180;1761614]

Not an assumption.

It is shown in the data, specifically in the rate of increase of deaths new cases before vs after social distancing began.

It has also worked for past epidemics (like Spanish Flu).

And besides all of that, it really is basic science. COVID is a communicable disease, which means humans pass it to other humans. Thus, if you only see 3 people and those 3 people only see you, if one of the 4 get it - they could only spread it to the other 3 and they can’t spread it further. If, on the other hand, you got the disease and didn’t practice social distancing, you could give it to countless other people, and they the same, at infinitum. The more people that get this disease, the more that die.

All of this is science and statistics.[/QUOTE]

No, it is really not. That is what you fail to see. So social distancing worked in 1918? By the time many people received word of the pandemic in 1918 it was probably already over....Much like this pandemic that is already on the decline after 4 weeks. Many of the social distancing measures have not been in place long enough to make much impact.

Social distancing has been in place in most of the US for nearly a month. We have seen the rate of increase of new cases slow substantially over that time. There are studies that show how different social distancing measures in each US city impacted deaths from Spanish Flu. You could easily educate yourself on this.

[Guisslapp]

He is doing more than championing them. He is adding them to the federal stockpile and releasing them as they are requested. Anecdotal evidence would be good enough for me, if I was dying, to give this stuff a shot (or anything else they had the same kind of evidence for).

And remember, we don't produce much of this stuff in the USA these days (when India heard the malaria drug might be effective, they immediately stated they would not ship any of it to anywhere else), so I have no problem with him getting out ahead of the issue and getting his hands on as much of this stuff as he can.

I highly doubt he came up with this stuff himself. Some medical professional gave him this information, and all he did was share it and stockpile what he could get his hands on.

How this became political I will never understand. We have no vaccine and we have no scientific PROVEN therapy. If I am on death's door, I don't want some idiot telling me I can't try something that has anecdotal evidence of being effective, but if I am still suffocating in 18 months when the scientific studies are done they might be able to help me.

There is no doubt that he did not come up with this stuff himself. But it is where he came up with it that is the source of most of the President’s problems.

Here is the transcript of Tucker Carlson the night of March 18.

https://www.mediamatters.org/media/3860681

This is Tucker promoting this very non-scientific Marseille study. Tucker had a guy on, Rigano, who was touted as “an adviser at the Stanford University School of Medicine”. He is not a doctor and Stanford wants him to stop claiming he is an advisor.

The very next day, March 19, is when Trump started claiming that HCQ was a “game changer” despite Fauci clearly taking a much more reserved view of the therapy.

This is against a backdrop where other drugs, such as remdisiver, were in the midst of actual clinical trials (something I even mentioned in this thread on March 1).

It is just a bit too crazy that Trump spends more time watching FoxNews than engaging with his own advisors. It is insane.

[Guisslapp]

IDK. If we could only roll out more testing...

Seriously, we can't know how many were actually sick without the testing. All we "know" now is that those who die from it are old and/or had comorbidities. We heard that back when we first started getting reports, but reporting the facts doesn't work well on sheeple so they tried to make it sound like healthy young people dying was the norm.

It would be great if there were more testing and we could actually know who has the disease before they spread it to many more people.

But it is an irrefutable fact that social distancing slows transmission and therefore saves lives.

[PawDawg]

[QUOTE=Guisslapp;1761622]

There are studies that show how different social distancing measures in each US city impacted deaths from Spanish Flu. You could easily educate yourself on this.

You are the one making the claim that we were practicing social distancing over 100 years ago. How 'bout you provided that information instead of playing your well aged pompous card about how somebody should know WTH was going on 100 years ago when newspapers and magazines were the only source of media.

[PawDawg]

It would be great if there were more testing and we could actually know who has the disease before they spread it to many more people.

But it is an irrefutable fact that social distancing slows transmission and therefore saves lives.

No, you don't know about the saving lives part without testing. For all you know 75% of the population has been exposed and is now immune. That would not factor into your model that has yet to be correct. Your camp is claiming China Virus deaths of people who may or may not have died FROM the virus. Many of those are assumed to have had the virus without having been tested...ever.

[Guisslapp]

[QUOTE=PawDawg;1761626]

You are the one making the claim that we were practicing social distancing over 100 years ago. How 'bout you provided that information instead of playing your well aged pompous card about how somebody should know WTH was going on 100 years ago when newspapers and magazines were the only source of media.

I forget that some of you don’t know how to use the Internet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nat...ic-coronavirus

[PawDawg]

[QUOTE=Guisslapp;1761628]

I forget that some of you don’t know how to use the Internet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nat...ic-coronavirus

Thanks. Now see if you can find an op-ed that does not require a sign up.

[Guisslapp]

No, you don't know about the saving lives part without testing. For all you know 75% of the population has been exposed and is now immune. That would not factor into your model that has yet to be correct. Your camp is claiming China Virus deaths of people who may or may not have died FROM the virus. Many of those are assumed to have had the virus without having been tested...ever.

That is not possible, and no one thinks that 75% have been exposed to it.

Your claim that people are being miscounted in the US is way over exaggerated. Just as there will be some counted in that weren’t tested there have been those that were not counted who also were not tested.

You guys aren’t even reading the full CDC guidance on it - just taking one sentence out of one of the paragraphs without reading it in context.

[Guisslapp]

[QUOTE=PawDawg;1761629]

Thanks. Now see if you can find an op-ed that does not require a sign up.

No sign up required and the source of the data is cited.

[DawgyNWindow]

There is no doubt that he did not come up with this stuff himself. But it is where he came up with it that is the source of most of the President’s problems.

Here is the transcript of Tucker Carlson the night of March 18.

https://www.mediamatters.org/media/3860681

This is Tucker promoting this very non-scientific Marseille study. Tucker had a guy on, Rigano, who was touted as “an adviser at the Stanford University School of Medicine”. He is not a doctor and Stanford wants him to stop claiming he is an advisor.

The very next day, March 19, is when Trump started claiming that HCQ was a “game changer” despite Fauci clearly taking a much more reserved view of the therapy.

This is against a backdrop where other drugs, such as remdisiver, were in the midst of actual clinical trials (something I even mentioned in this thread on March 1).

It is just a bit too crazy that Trump spends more time watching FoxNews than engaging with his own advisors. It is insane.

Well, if you get it and get to where you cannot breathe, make sure they don't give you anything to help that hasn't been through the scientific trials.

[Guisslapp]

Well, if you get it and get to where you cannot breathe, make sure they don't give you anything to help that hasn't been through the scientific trials.

No one is saying that.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Why are they demanding a body count to justify the closure of the economy? Especially given the fact that these are the deaths caused in spite of shutting things down (meaning that the numbers would have been much higher if the transmission was allowed to go unimpeded).

The party of death Democrats want a high death count to keep the country closed for 12-18 more months. And now these socialist are pushing for mail in voting to corrupt the process in Biden’s favor.

[dawg80]

The party of death Democrats want a high death count to keep the country closed for 12-18 more months. And now these socialist are pushing for mail in voting to corrupt the process in Biden’s favor.

Their plan is to keep up the scare long enough to get Biden elected...with a hand-picked VP. They can only get Biden elected by cheating, thus the plan for the mail-in voting. There will literally be tens of thousands of fake votes in key swing states for sure, and while they're at it they will also steal the Senate too. That done in November, all of sudden the virus will melt away, like magic.

[Guisslapp]

Hong Kong, with its 4 COVID deaths through the end of March, shows what could have been with competent leadership. They followed WHO guidance.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...virus-lockdown