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    Re: National Signing Day

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    This is exactly why I think it was unfair for the NCAA to not count this year's playing time against a players eligibility. It heavily favors those already on campus, and crowds out the young recruits trying to get signed.
    Well, somebody was going to get cheated. If you count this year, you’ve got a bunch of seniors that were basically cheated out of their last year.

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    Re: 2 Shreveport commits so far

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    This is exactly why I think it was unfair for the NCAA to not count this year's playing time against a players eligibility. It heavily favors those already on campus, and crowds out the young recruits trying to get signed.
    Exactly it is common sense that lots of kids are going to be screwed by not getting an offer or stuck in the portal because of the free year. It's like a game of musical chairs. Also instant eligibility gives kids a false sense of security thinking someone will surely pick them up. For the superstars that may be true. But it will be like they draft, lots of "UDFA". This article says there is a possibility up to 1000 players will be stuck in the transfer portal. You are taking a big risk entering that portal without a deal already worked out behind the scene.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/could-hundr...014322627.html

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Well, somebody was going to get cheated. If you count this year, you’ve got a bunch of seniors that were basically cheated out of their last year.
    ......just like everyone else in America. The difference is, most players got to play this season anyway. And they get to come back! That's the pitiful part. They get a do-over, but no one else in America does.

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    Re: 2 Shreveport commits so far

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom View Post
    Exactly it is common sense that lots of kids are going to be screwed by not getting an offer or stuck in the portal because of the free year. It's like a game of musical chairs. Also instant eligibility gives kids a false sense of security thinking someone will surely pick them up. For the superstars that may be true. But it will be like they draft, lots of "UDFA". This article says there is a possibility up to 1000 players will be stuck in the transfer portal. You are taking a big risk entering that portal without a deal already worked out behind the scene.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/could-hundr...014322627.html
    Good article. Thanks.

    Quote from article: The seniors returning for an extra year are going to limit opportunities for younger players within the program, which will mean even more transferring. Also, the one-time transfer rule is expected to lead to a flurry of Group of Five transfers looking to upgrade to bigger schools.

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    ......just like everyone else in America. The difference is, most players got to play this season anyway. And they get to come back! That's the pitiful part. They get a do-over, but no one else in America does.
    Be a better product in an absolute sense in the short term.

    3 years from now the check may come due for football fans (but honestly, probably not since we don't experience football quality in absolute terms, only in relative terms - at least noticeably at the popular level).

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Quote Originally Posted by inudesu View Post
    Be a better product in an absolute sense in the short term.

    3 years from now the check may come due for football fans (but honestly, probably not since we don't experience football quality in absolute terms, only in relative terms - at least noticeably at the popular level).
    I don't think the product will be better. There's simply too much player movement for that. Did you read Tech52's article above? If that article is true, it appears that a lot of "student-athletes" could lose their schollies, and be left "stranded" in the transfer portal. And the younger players are not expected to develop as fast. Again, according to that article, the NCAA has created a mess.

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    I don't think the product will be better. There's simply too much player movement for that. Did you read Tech52's article above? If that article is true, it appears that a lot of "student-athletes" could lose their schollies, and be left "stranded" in the transfer portal. And the younger players are not expected to develop as fast. Again, according to that article, the NCAA has created a mess.
    Yeah transfer will be a wildcard in all this. Naturally you'd rather have the norm be 6th year players in the same systems. If you closed the door to transfers and just allowed the extra year the jump in overall play would be higher. For sure.

    But all things being equal, you might be better off (again, in the short run) with a transfer than the player he beat for the starting role. The transfers won't all even out (some schools will lose more, others will have net gains). Same with upperclassmen who might otherwise have used up their eligibility.

    I think the product will be better for a year or two. Then there will be the chickens coming home to roost of small classes, less playing time/development. But it may be hard to notice (either direction) because we tend to experience college football in a relative sense and most of this will even out across the FBS. There will be a few teams that get really screwed and a few that luck into playing it all just right on the other extreme and those may stand out. But mostly it'll be "Tech lost some players to the portal, got some players from the portal, had some percentage of 6th year seniors" and we'll be playing against teams that also had that happen to more or less the same extent. So even if we're "better" next year because of this, so will Rice/UNT/UAB/USM/UTSA/UTEP and if we're "worse" in a couple of years, well so will everyone else.

    On the plus side, "all other things being equal" is not likely to be the case. All other things aren't and won't be equal. So hopefully the "other things" break out way (including having an experienced and steady coaching staff). As hard as it will be for everyone (and as much as we criticize Holtz) I'm not sure this is the best year to break in a new coaching staff as so many schools are doing.

    I have to think relationships with high school coaches and being a known quantity (and just having more experience with roster management in general) are going to be important. I mean, that's always important, but especially so now.

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Who was that WKU QB who was around for 7 years? He could have had an 8th year today.

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    Re: National Signing Day

    The door should be wide open for some of these O-linemen to come in a start as true freshman. Maybe we have another Dugas in the group.

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Who was that WKU QB who was around for 7 years? He could have had an 8th year today.
    Brandon Doughty?

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Case Keenum played for six seasons at Houston.

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    Re: 2 Shreveport commits so far

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post

    If the new rule passes committee allowing transfers to play w/out sitting out, it will change the game to the point of me hunting and fishing w/ ZERO NCAA sports being watched.
    You'll be surprised how easily you can kick the habit. My last season was 2012 when the ibowl screwed up and invited nlulm. I skipped watching any bowl that year, didn't miss them. Loved the free time, so never went back to college regular season either. No nfl since the kneeling began, not even Dak.

    The extra time for family, fishing, bicycling, camping, reading, grandkids is AMAZING.

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    Re: 2 Shreveport commits so far

    Quote Originally Posted by Russdawg View Post
    You'll be surprised how easily you can kick the habit. My last season was 2012 when the ibowl screwed up and invited nlulm. I skipped watching any bowl that year, didn't miss them. Loved the free time, so never went back to college regular season either. No nfl since the kneeling began, not even Dak.

    The extra time for family, fishing, bicycling, camping, reading, grandkids is AMAZING.
    2013 was actually the beginning of the end of our game day experience. That experience had been growing since the early 80s and was consistently getting better each year. The 2013 record put a damper on it, but not as bad as 2014 when our AD began fixing things that were not broken. We now have some nice "stuff" but also empty parking lots for those who give/gave big bucks and empty stands not filled with those who can watch at home w/out the tail gate experience.

    I did hear that our new AD has already reached out to our SGA and will be working closely with them for ideas to increase student attendance. Imagine that! Seeking solutions to problems that began 6 plus years ago.

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    Re: 2 Shreveport commits so far

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    2013 was actually the beginning of the end of our game day experience. That experience had been growing since the early 80s and was consistently getting better each year. The 2013 record put a damper on it, but not as bad as 2014 when our AD began fixing things that were not broken. We now have some nice "stuff" but also empty parking lots for those who give/gave big bucks and empty stands not filled with those who can watch at home w/out the tail gate experience.

    I did hear that our new AD has already reached out to our SGA and will be working closely with them for ideas to increase student attendance. Imagine that! Seeking solutions to problems that began 6 plus years ago.
    Yes, the game day experience has been horrifically damaged. Sometimes I have to drag myself over there for football, used to be excited all week. Never thought that could happen. I could never quit Tech athletics. If it wasn't Tech... Sure hope Dr. Wood can bring some life back.

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    Re: National Signing Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Amos Moses View Post
    Brandon Doughty?
    Yep, I think that was him.

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