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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    I'm starting to think this whole "college" thing is over-rated, and just not worth the trouble.
    You and a lot of other people

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dawg View Post
    You and a lot of other people
    Maybe we're seeing the end of the world as we know it. Ya know, there's a lot of unintended consequences that can come from dire situations like this. With forced "on-line learning" due to COVID restrictions, absurdly high tuition costs, zero "on-campus" social experiences and a serious lack of tax revenue at the state and local government level due to CoronaVirus to pay for everything, public colleges may find themselves at risk of being a luxury of the past. State governments may decide --or may be forced due to lack of tax revenue-- to get out of the "college" business.

    We all love LA Tech. That's why we're here. And for most of us, attending Tech was a wonderful experience in our life. But things are changing. I know for a fact that most of the high tech companies who are doing all the hiring are much less concerned with where your degree came from than they are your professional certifications, your progress and your specializations. These companies --some of which are the largest in the world (think Amazon, Google, Microsoft, major defense contractors, Big Pharma, etc...) are happy to pay for your professional certs and other professional ed needs. Most have classroom environments on their campuses that are 10X better and more intense than a typical college classroom. And these classes are being taught by young engineering professionals, experienced finance professionals and others who are DOING IT EVERY DAY, and live on the bleeding edge of technology & change. Imagine this environment, as opposed to some tired, old, tenured, liberal, college professor who hasn't worked in the his chosen field for 15 years, and is only interested in espousing his socialism beliefs to a captive audience of young people 3 times a week.

    Fact is, most of these companies would prefer to build and train you like they want, so they can employ you and hopefully earn your job loyalty. With this in mind, why would a student who has a choice, choose to pay (or borrow with student loans) 100K to 200K to get a "dinosaur" education and no guaranteed job? At some point people have to ask themselves, is the old school college model really working? I'm concerned that it's not, and people are finally waking up to it. After this COVID experience, I think we're going to see major changes in higher education, and how we prepare people for employment.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    The college bubble has been poised to burst for a long time. I would not be surprised at all if COVID is the needle that pops the bubble.
    Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Men and women that are skilled in a trade, such as Plumbers, Carpenters, Electricians, HVAC Techs, etc., are making more money than many with $100,000.00+ college degrees. Of course, one has to actually be willing to work to earn a living.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunDave1 View Post
    Men and women that are skilled in a trade, such as Plumbers, Carpenters, Electricians, HVAC Techs, etc., are making more money than many with $100,000.00+ college degrees. Of course, one has to actually be willing to work to earn a living.
    Damn! there is always a catch.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    Maybe we're seeing the end of the world as we know it. Ya know, there's a lot of unintended consequences that can come from dire situations like this. With forced "on-line learning" due to COVID restrictions, absurdly high tuition costs, zero "on-campus" social experiences and a serious lack of tax revenue at the state and local government level due to CoronaVirus to pay for everything, public colleges may find themselves at risk of being a luxury of the past. State governments may decide --or may be forced due to lack of tax revenue-- to get out of the "college" business.

    We all love LA Tech. That's why we're here. And for most of us, attending Tech was a wonderful experience in our life. But things are changing. I know for a fact that most of the high tech companies who are doing all the hiring are much less concerned with where your degree came from than they are your professional certifications, your progress and your specializations. These companies --some of which are the largest in the world (think Amazon, Google, Microsoft, major defense contractors, Big Pharma, etc...) are happy to pay for your professional certs and other professional ed needs. Most have classroom environments on their campuses that are 10X better and more intense than a typical college classroom. And these classes are being taught by young engineering professionals, experienced finance professionals and others who are DOING IT EVERY DAY, and live on the bleeding edge of technology & change. Imagine this environment, as opposed to some tired, old, tenured, liberal, college professor who hasn't worked in the his chosen field for 15 years, and is only interested in espousing his socialism beliefs to a captive audience of young people 3 times a week.

    Fact is, most of these companies would prefer to build and train you like they want, so they can employ you and hopefully earn your job loyalty. With this in mind, why would a student who has a choice, choose to pay (or borrow with student loans) 100K to 200K to get a "dinosaur" education and no guaranteed job? At some point people have to ask themselves, is the old school college model really working? I'm concerned that it's not, and people are finally waking up to it. After this COVID experience, I think we're going to see major changes in higher education, and how we prepare people for employment.
    Both of my kids are getting 4 year degrees from Collin College. The amount of money this has saved me is incalculable. One is going to go to grad school at UTD, don't yet know what the other one will do.
    I can't tell you how many programmers I meet that do not have a technical degree. Business cares about your resume, only.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Job training was never the purpose of a university education.

    Going to college so you can get a job is like buying an airplane to drive yourself to work.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    The college bubble has been poised to burst for a long time. I would not be surprised at all if COVID is the needle that pops the bubble.
    It will be pure arse politics that bursts it.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    It will be pure arse politics that bursts it.
    Nope. Greed burst it. You can’t sustain raising your prices 3x inflation for decades.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Nope. Greed burst it. You can’t sustain raising your prices 3x inflation for decades.
    That too yes.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    Nope. Greed burst it. You can’t sustain raising your prices 3x inflation for decades.
    That too yes. And funded a huge part by the state and federal governments out of our hard earned pay checks/taxes. And mishandled obviously via stupid government programs and incompetent university ADM in Louisiana at least.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    That too yes. And funded a huge part by the state and federal governments out of our hard earned pay checks/taxes. And mishandled obviously via stupid government programs and incompetent university ADM in Louisiana at least.
    State funding for higher education has been radically reduced since the last financial crisis. Non-coincidentally, tuition has gone up dramatically since then.

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-...ts-to-students

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    In Louisiana state funding of universities is down to 17% of a school's overall operating budget. BUT! the state invoices schools in a reapportionment measure, such that most of that 17% is returned to the state. I'm not sure what the details are in determining how much that might be. Heard last night that Nicholls State got itself in such a bind that it was repaying 102%. It was costing them to get the state funding!

    Yes, last night, we went to a small social gathering where everyone else there are employed by NSU. After the adult beverages kicked in tongues got loose and there was talk of school and state budgets, etc...

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    In Louisiana state funding of universities is down to 17% of a school's overall operating budget. BUT! the state invoices schools in a reapportionment measure, such that most of that 17% is returned to the state. I'm not sure what the details are in determining how much that might be. Heard last night that Nicholls State got itself in such a bind that it was repaying 102%. It was costing them to get the state funding!

    Yes, last night, we went to a small social gathering where everyone else there are employed by NSU. After the adult beverages kicked in tongues got loose and there was talk of school and state budgets, etc...
    Universities get slashed.
    Tuition goes up.
    TOPS is fully funded.
    Repeat.

    Universities are just using a different color of money now, sadly.

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    Re: Big 10 cancels fall football

    Quote Originally Posted by faninmonroe View Post
    I am sure they will make all classes online as well.
    Michigan State going online.

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