Proof of Voter Fraud in Georgia

[techman05]

Serious question.......

What is the harm in allowing this to be heard in court? Let’s dismiss the argument that it will cause doubt in our legal system, elections, or elected officials. 70million voters plus untold thousands of people who don’t vote because they don’t trust the system is proof enough that distrust was already an issue. Let’s have all the evidence, all the data, all the experts, every volunteer, and every employee of the voting systems and voting software companies on the table. Air it on every network unedited and uninterrupted. At the end, either the fraud is confirmed and election overturned or witnesses, experts, and attorneys face the penalties appropriate for lying under oath. If they are so confident there was no fraud, then let it play out entirely.

[turbodawg]

Serious question.......

What is the harm in allowing this to be heard in court? Let’s dismiss the argument that it will cause doubt in our legal system, elections, or elected officials. 70million voters plus untold thousands of people who don’t vote because they don’t trust the system is proof enough that distrust was already an issue. Let’s have all the evidence, all the data, all the experts, every volunteer, and every employee of the voting systems and voting software companies on the table. Air it on every network unedited and uninterrupted. At the end, either the fraud is confirmed and election overturned or witnesses, experts, and attorneys face the penalties appropriate for lying under oath. If they are so confident there was no fraud, then let it play out entirely.

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Nothing substantive has been presented in court to hear. It’s January.

I just want to find 11,780 votes....ain’t a good look.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

You are confused. It has all been debunked. Try to keep up.

Democrats being able to run the nation, states and cities with any credibility and success has been debunked. Socialism has been debunked. Biden accomplishing anything in 47 years in the senate has been debunked.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Democrats being able to run the nation, states and cities with any credibility and success has been debunked. Socialism has been debunked. Biden accomplishing anything in 47 years in the senate has been debunked.

Democrats actually caring for human life has been debunked. Democrats actually improving the lives of black and other minority Americans has been debunked.

[Guisslapp]

Serious question.......

What is the harm in allowing this to be heard in court? Let’s dismiss the argument that it will cause doubt in our legal system, elections, or elected officials. 70million voters plus untold thousands of people who don’t vote because they don’t trust the system is proof enough that distrust was already an issue. Let’s have all the evidence, all the data, all the experts, every volunteer, and every employee of the voting systems and voting software companies on the table. Air it on every network unedited and uninterrupted. At the end, either the fraud is confirmed and election overturned or witnesses, experts, and attorneys face the penalties appropriate for lying under oath. If they are so confident there was no fraud, then let it play out entirely.

It already has. None of the allegations went anywhere. The harm is that the longer some Republicans push these goofy conspiracy theories, the more damage is done to our democracy. If losing 60 cases is not enough to convince people that “there is no there there”, case number 61 isn’t going to do it. This has been a game of whac-a-mole with the same type of allegations represented over and over again without any new evidence.

[PawDawg]

Is whac-a-mole the new cute saying the girls on the view are using since grift(er) is now so obvious?

[dawg80]

That was already addressed weeks ago. Reporting errors always happen, but are fixed during canvassing. There has already been 3 counts of the vote in Georgia. Trump lost all 3 times. It is the official counts that matter - not the precinct reports that are broadcast to media. Those reports aren’t the official counts for the precinct.

And this has been addressed ad nauseum! I won't try to explain it to you AGAIN because you are apparently too dense to grasp the truth. Carry on, comrade. Your fellow comrades are busy today producing more fake ballots in Georgia.

[dawg80]

Oh, and all this stupid "damages our democracy" bullshit needs setting straight too. First and foremost, frickin' stealing elections damages our democracy!!! And second, the Dems have challenged POTUS election results FIVE times, including in 2005 and 2017 most recently. Funny, I don't recall the lamestream media or anyone else expressing concerns over our democracy then.

[Guisslapp]

Oh, and all this stupid "damages our democracy" bullshit needs setting straight too. First and foremost, frickin' stealing elections damages our democracy!!! And second, the Dems have challenged POTUS election results FIVE times, including in 2005 and 2017 most recently. Funny, I don't recall the lamestream media or anyone else expressing concerns over our democracy then.

Entirely different scale than this.

[Guisslapp]

Entirely different scale than this.

This one is being led by the top of the party who is an incumbent with the power of the presidency behind him. This one involves abuse of power that threatens democracy.

There is no evidence that this election was stolen.

[inudesu]

Oh, and all this stupid "damages our democracy" bullshit needs setting straight too. First and foremost, frickin' stealing elections damages our democracy!!! And second, the Dems have challenged POTUS election results FIVE times, including in 2005 and 2017 most recently. Funny, I don't recall the lamestream media or anyone else expressing concerns over our democracy then.

It was stupid and embarrassing and performative then, and was widely treated as such.

It was barely reported on at all, and the loser had conceeded the races.

Is Barbara Boxer really who the Republicans look to now for a role model?

[inudesu]

Is whac-a-mole the new cute saying the girls on the view are using since grift(er) is now so obvious?

Is there a better word than "grift" for what Rudy et al have been doing? Have you seen those fundraising numbers? And the fine print about where the money is going? I know we had a whole debate about not telling someone how to spend their money, but how else can you describe it? I've seen "fraud" and "scam" which work as well, but you get weirdly hung up on hearing the same phrases from more than one place. Sometimes it's the same or similar expression because it's just the best description of what is happening.

You've not heard similar repetitive terminology ever used from the right?

To be fair, I still think most of those claiming "stop the steal" at the highest levels are doing so cynically for financial or political gain. But I'm mostly convinced that the President actually buys the conspiracy theories. So it's maybe not grift from him even though he stands to profit. He could actually be deluded (not like clinically delusional, just wrong). I haven't read it all but that transcript on the call is not a great look. But less "come on man, just do me a solid" than "please, please, isn't there something you can do." I know he's asking him to "find him votes" but I think it's most likely he's bought the conspiracy and is just saying "can't you find fake votes" and just isn't accepting the facts. But the lawyers know. The congressmen know. Most of his remaining staff know. The VP knows. Most of the OAN and Newsmax or Weekly World News staff know (and many, but probably not all of their "expert guests"). They just all stand to profit from the falsehood.

That's why grift fits.

And the whole "here's the proof" then "no that's not proof" then "well here's proof" dance really looks like whack a mole. That's how you describe something like that. What are we up to? Like 60 losses? And those are all just"activist leftest judges?" Really?! Of course not.

[inudesu]

Serious question.......

What is the harm in allowing this to be heard in court? Let’s dismiss the argument that it will cause doubt in our legal system, elections, or elected officials. 70million voters plus untold thousands of people who don’t vote because they don’t trust the system is proof enough that distrust was already an issue. Let’s have all the evidence, all the data, all the experts, every volunteer, and every employee of the voting systems and voting software companies on the table. Air it on every network unedited and uninterrupted. At the end, either the fraud is confirmed and election overturned or witnesses, experts, and attorneys face the penalties appropriate for lying under oath. If they are so confident there was no fraud, then let it play out entirely.

It has been though, right? Like what specifically hasn't been addressed?

1. Look at all the extra votes - wrong state.
2. Look at this big stack of signed affidavits - they're complaints about the loudspeakers being too loud or mean looks.
3. The state legislatures have to decide how the electors are chosen - yeah, they chose "popular vote" as opposed to rock, paper, scissors, the legislature doesn't have to determine every detail, just the manner (otherwise, why aren't we protesting Texas?)
4. Dominion machines were programed by Hugo Chavez's ghost to support communism, plus they employ the whole families of key Democrats - I mean, these are legion, but here is a start.
5. Well, it looks funny (because it wasn't what we wanted) so we'll just pursue these other ways to change the results - well, no.


Which new allegation seems credible to you? And isn't it at all alarming or telling that these keep getting clearly shot down? But once they're (totally) blasted out of the water, they aren't addressed again? Like they lose these cases and then don't mention them again? I think in most cases it's because they knew going in that they didn't have anything. But that's just me being cynical.

Also, why did we seat Congressmen from these states? It was the same election.

[DONW]

Is there a better word than "grift" for what Rudy et al have been doing? Have you seen those fundraising numbers? And the fine print about where the money is going? I know we had a whole debate about not telling someone how to spend their money, but how else can you describe it? I've seen "fraud" and "scam" which work as well, but you get weirdly hung up on hearing the same phrases from more than one place. Sometimes it's the same or similar expression because it's just the best description of what is happening.

You've not heard similar repetitive terminology ever used from the right?

To be fair, I still think most of those claiming "stop the steal" at the highest levels are doing so cynically for financial or political gain. But I'm mostly convinced that the President actually buys the conspiracy theories. So it's maybe not grift from him even though he stands to profit. He could actually be deluded (not like clinically delusional, just wrong). I haven't read it all but that transcript on the call is not a great look. But less "come on man, just do me a solid" than "please, please, isn't there something you can do." I know he's asking him to "find him votes" but I think it's most likely he's bought the conspiracy and is just saying "can't you find fake votes" and just isn't accepting the facts. But the lawyers know. The congressmen know. Most of his remaining staff know. The VP knows. Most of the OAN and Newsmax or Weekly World News staff know (and many, but probably not all of their "expert guests"). They just all stand to profit from the falsehood.

That's why grift fits.

And the whole "here's the proof" then "no that's not proof" then "well here's proof" dance really looks like whack a mole. That's how you describe something like that. What are we up to? Like 60 losses? And those are all just"activist leftest judges?" Really?! Of course not.

Why do you refuse to look at the evidence? Go look at the 2 videos I posted.

[Guisslapp]

Why do you refuse to look at the evidence? Go look at the 2 videos I posted.

The allegations in those videos have been debunked already and links to the rebuttals provided in this thread.